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hey everybody welcome back we have been

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getting a lot of comments and feedback

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saying what does the government know you

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know we have people on the show ever

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since Jacques valet who's been chatting

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about governments are now starting to

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discuss he was at a Consortium in Europe

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and the U.S was there which was very

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interesting in itself then you have Ross

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goldthard from Australia talking about

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their position on things Leslie Kane New

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York Times Reporter somebody very

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abreast with the whole Tic Tac and

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disclosure of 2017. so we wanted to find

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another person who could give us that

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new information that you guys are all

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wanting you're all messaging us like get

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some new stuff it's impossible when

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there is no new information unless you

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go to the source and today's guest is an

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expert on governments presidents UFOs

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both in Canada the states Europe he

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understands this at a forensic level his

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friends are all some of the bigger names

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we've had on the show like uh Jim

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semivan Steve Bassett Leslie Kane Jacque

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Valley so really tied the last four or

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five episodes together uh having Grand

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Cameron on the show today and I'm hoping

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it's going to be a great episode we're

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going to ask him some difficult stuff

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that's what you guys want to hear and

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that's what we're here for so and just a

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Grand Cameron

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[Music]

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welcome back to another episode of UAP

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studies podcast I am Louis Borges

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joining me as always my good friend and

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illustrious co-host Jason Gilman how are

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you I love these illustrious co-hosts

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all the time it makes me feel good about

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myself so thank you yeah and I always

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ask you how you are somebody commented

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the other day and said hey don't don't

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do that we don't want to know how you

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are well I don't give a [\h__\h] how you

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doing you're a friend this is who we are

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this is our show and you're in our

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living room right now yeah so be a good

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fly on the wall for all of us would you

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yeah but uh excited today

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um you know it's fitting within our

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chain of recent episodes and discussing

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governments and what they actually know

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and are we getting anywhere and you know

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we had Jacques valet for our 100th

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episode he recently discussed uh sort of

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a Consortium happening in Europe with

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the UK and France and a bunch of

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countries that are participating oddly

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enough the US wasn't there we found that

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very interesting as well and then we had

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Ross Cole tart on a couple weeks ago and

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he was chatting about the Australian

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connection what that's all about and we

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are Canadian and there's not very many

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know much about this so our guest today

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Mr Grant Cameron not only is he an

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award-winning author UFO researcher in

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fact his book UFOs Area 51 and

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government informants uh it's on our

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read list for sure you should definitely

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check it out recently revised with some

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new info as well but yeah he's a

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foremost expert on presidents

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governments UFO connection U.S Canada

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and all the rest so he promises to give

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us some some goodies and some Insider

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things that maybe some people haven't

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heard before while obviously maintaining

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his disclosure so a big welcome to the

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show today Mr Grant Cameron well thank

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you for having me on and I really don't

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have any uh stuff I hold I'm I'm sort of

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notorious for being the guy that they

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say if you want to keep a secret don't

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tell to Grant Cameron he'll tell

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everybody but I've gotten in a lot of

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trouble with uh what used to be called

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the Avery if you were familiar with the

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Avery these high level all intelligence

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people and military people who contacted

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Bill Moore back in the 1980s and they

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all have stayed together over the years

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they talked to each other and you know

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channels and emails and stuff like that

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and I used to know them and have some

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interaction with some of these guys and

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then I sort of blew it with uh talking

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too much and they said you know it's

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sort of like all the emails stopped and

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and I think that's part of what this

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whole thing people always want to know

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why does the highest levels of people

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why did why do they not talk you know

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like how put off or you know people like

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that but why don't they just come out

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and you know blow it wide open or people

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inside the government and it's always

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because according to what I know is that

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all these people don't have it all

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figured out either and they're trying to

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figure it out the same as you and I so

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they may they have these sources above

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them one of them for example I don't

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know if you know the story but there's

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one of them famously was asked could you

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name the 12 guys who are actually

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running the show and he said yeah I

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probably could and he said well why

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don't you name them and he said well

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because you go to the New York Times new

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Advertiser read an article I'd have to

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deny it and then nobody would ever talk

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to me again and that's the whole deal as

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the people above them they're trying to

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figure out what's going on they're

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trying to talk to people above them and

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they're making these these allegiance to

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different people and so I'm sort of the

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guy who I I have I by the biblical

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expression you know too much is given

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much is expected and and why would you

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hold you know keep your light under a

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bushel to me it's basically if I know

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it's you know again the Bible says

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um you know what profitable what profit

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of the man Begins the whole world and

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loses his own soul and so to me that

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thing is like why would I hold on to

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this I tell people like you know I've

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got two cases I'd mentioned in the last

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couple of days that were I'm trying to

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force these people to openly disclose it

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themselves I said well why would you

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disclose this and you know they said

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well the person who had it died and then

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the other person got it and just wanted

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to disclose it because he might die and

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I said well if you hold a video of this

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importance and you're the only person

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that knows who's got it you're gone I

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mean they're gonna take you out why

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wouldn't you know but if everybody knows

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it's harder to take you out and people

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have these ideas you know that you know

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if they sort of keep it secret they

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don't realize that everything's being

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monitored and and uh you know there's

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not much that they don't know and so uh

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I I'm pretty I'm I try to be as open as

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possible as to uh what I know and that's

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what Bob Lazar even said I mean

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originally when he came out with George

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Knapp he was a cloaked silhouette with a

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modified voice and then when it started

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to get weird he basically said yeah I

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had to make myself known in case

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something happens to me because right

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now as a dark figure I disappear nobody

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even knows so yeah yeah that's one thing

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that I I always I when I wrote up the uh

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I think it's in the area 51 book I I've

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got a much different opinion than most

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people on bubbles are but Bob Lazar most

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people don't realize he was never fired

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he was never fired from Area 51 they

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took him up to Indian Springs and he

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tells a story about how they put the gun

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to his head and said you know when we

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when we told you this was secret that

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didn't mean to bring your friends out to

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watch the test and all this sort of

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stuff and and they they threatened and

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scared to live in Daylights out of him

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but all they did was suspend his

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security clearance because they said his

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wife was having an affair with the the

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pilot guy that she was training with and

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we'll suspend your security clearance

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and they actually called him back to the

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base he didn't go because of this whole

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deal that he had been drinking this very

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um talk you know uh stuff that they've

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given them to drink and he couldn't

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remember what happened after he drank

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that stuff and he was scared to go back

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on the base so that was the whole deal

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he never got fired so if if he was

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actually you know what people are

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claiming well they would have killed him

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they would have fired him they would

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have you know done whatever uh but he

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did go uh public when he realized that

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you know he if he stood by himself I

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mean that's the worst position you can

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be in is nobody knows I mean where you

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are or what's going on and uh it's very

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easy if if they're if they're going to

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want to keep the secret and I was told

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like Jimmy semivans told

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my friend Chris Bledsoe he said to him

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because he goes to his birthday every

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birthday party every year and they're

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very close friends because they're both

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experiencers and he said to Chris and

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his family he said if we wanted you dead

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you would have been dead 10 years ago we

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don't do that kind of stuff anymore and

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that's been my experience like people

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say oh that you know the the CIA and I

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said well take a look at me I'm a

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Canadian I mean I don't even have a

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constitutional uh position where I'm

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being protected like in the United

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States you can't like if you're CIA you

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can't engage with the American people

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and all those kind of stuff and people

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have all these Amendment rights you know

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the first second Fourth Amendment and

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everybody knows their their rights and

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all this kind of stuff and in Canada I

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mean they could take me out anytime they

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want and and and it would be totally

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legal yeah I'm a non I'm a foreign

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National and I'm a foreign spy and stuff

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and so they could take me out and I said

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I've gone after the president of the

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United States the highest level guy

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there is and it went after all the the

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intelligence people like kit green and

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and Ron pandolfi and all these guys and

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I talked openly about them and I exposed

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them and Ron was very upset a couple of

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times when I got the a video about him

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talking about the portal I mean they've

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been very upset

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but again I mean if they haven't taken

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me out as a foreign National if you're

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an American I mean it's pretty a little

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bit harder for them to take you up

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because you've got these all these

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constitutional rights and the government

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always has to wonder is it worth taking

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this person out if this gets revealed

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the whole government will fall and then

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they say well no it's not really worth

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that that thing so they always weigh the

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the you know what it's worth versus the

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the potential costs

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right and there's kind of like uh you

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know the whistleblowers that we're

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expecting to come out do you know of any

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that you know do we have a list of

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people coming out or is it a very short

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list of whistleblowers you think are

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going to come out well that's my that's

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my thing that I'm I'm I differ a little

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bit on the people on disclosure I'm

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actually going to write an article like

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a sort of an article about

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um sort of against disclosure because we

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we dealt with in that area 51 government

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informant book we dealt with Dr Eric

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Walker and he was a guy who knew exactly

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what was going on he had 14 honorary

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doctorate degrees he was the chairman of

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the board of the institute for defense

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analysis and that's where uh Bob McGuire

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comes from if you ever talk to Bob

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McGuire I mean this is everything was

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top secret and and higher in in this um

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in this organization this is the top

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military think tank for the United

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States and Walker used to challenge us

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all the time he said so what do you want

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to know for it's just curiosity admit it

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all it is is curiosity that's the only

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reason you want to know and that when

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you look at it that's actually true the

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people most people it's just like a new

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story let's let's get a new story let's

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get the truths and stuff like that and

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he said why should we change the rules

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to satisfy your curiosity this is back

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in 1991 1990 and so from then on I

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always realized they have rules there's

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uh they're actually the government is

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sort of controlling this thing there are

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rules as to how this this situation is

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being held now it's being held sort of

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outside the government and and this sort

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of thing but what's I think is going to

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happen like people say well okay we want

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disclosure and say well what do you mean

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by Disclosure what the government says

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Okay so the government has already come

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out and said yeah UFOs exist and where

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do we go from here and people are

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waiting for them to say you know what

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the crafts made out of How It's

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propulsion has done and I said what do

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you know now after the Congressional

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hearings that you did not know before

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this Congressional hearing things and

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the answer is absolutely nothing you

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know that they have a report and there

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was 144 sightings and one of them was

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identified as a natural phenomena and

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the other 43 we can't tell you 143 we

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can't tell you about it's all happening

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behind closed doors and people forget

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this is is that this may not come out

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it'll be held in so people are all

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supporting this and these guys are

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getting money but the guys that are

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getting the money are going to be in the

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black world so all we're doing is

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subsidizing the black world it's almost

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like they can't get the answers because

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there's this um

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the idea if you've if you're familiar

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with the Wilson leaked document that I

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leaked the Wilson League document at the

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very end it says

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um we have a craft and we think it'll

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fly

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and so when I saw that I said oh I know

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exactly what that means they've got a

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craft that's completely intact and they

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can't they can't make it go they can't

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make it take off because it has to have

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a Consciousness interface I'm about to

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drop a box a book I think it may

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actually be up on Kindle today and it's

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it's called UFO Sky pilots and I ran

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into one woman in 2013 who claimed she'd

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flown the craft and I thought she was

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absolutely insane like why would the

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like 75 year old lady fly the crop this

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was insane I was ready to throw her out

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of the house I couldn't believe she was

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talking about it and then all these

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people started coming to me one after

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another after another after another and

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they they came to me and they

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um told me these stories of flying the

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Craftsman so I put 36 of them in the

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book and this includes like a 747 United

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Airlines pilot includes a U.S Air Force

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retired Colonel uh and everybody's

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saying the same thing and it has to do

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this Consciousness interface it's

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conscious Consciousness is how this

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thing is is propelled that's how they

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they move it around and uh the craft is

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alive and you become one with the craft

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and all these these kind of things and

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so when I um I went down this road I

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realized that the government didn't have

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that connection so what's happening if

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you hear listen to Eric Davis who I say

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is the main witness if you talk about

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whistleblowers all you need is Eric

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Davis to go out there and testify this

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guy knows he spent his whole life trying

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to figure out what was going on in the

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black world and he will tell what he

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knows and it's it's pretty significant

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or Hell put off and so

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um I what I say is going to happen is

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that uh the black world can't figure out

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a lot of this stuff and they they it's

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all stove piped so they they have this

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classification problem of you you don't

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see my part I don't see your part and

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nobody talks to each other and stuff so

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if you move it into the white world then

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all the lead scientists in the world are

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going to work on it and all that stuff's

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going to filter black into the back

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black world and they're going to build

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whatever they want they're they're stuck

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they need the white world so they're

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they're getting this money and that's

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exactly what happened they're getting

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this funding the money from Congress

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they're getting this stuff but it's all

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again it's all behind closed doors so

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the Congress will know that it's under

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control and that there's this stuff but

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it's all going to be classified because

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weapon Secrets as I pointed out right

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from the word go I wrote my first book

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back in 1990 and I've said it right from

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the word go that the the number one

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thing for the black world and for the

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military is a thing called lead time on

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weapons so if you build atomic bomb and

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you're two weeks ahead of their the

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Japanese in building the atomic bomb and

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you use the atomic bomb it's over

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because Japanese haven't got time to

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respond so then we go to the emperor and

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say oh man you're dropping these atomic

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bombs on us what are we going to do and

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then the emperor says oh I'll build an

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atomic bomb we'll go drop it on them I

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was losing their taken you so well I

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don't know seven or eight years you

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haven't got seven and that says lead

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time if you're even if you're one day

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ahead of the opposition in developing so

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it's always got to do with this lead

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time that you're you're you're trying to

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get ahead of the opposition and you may

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not use the weapon and the the the the

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excuse they'll always use for clipping

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keeping this classified is that we don't

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want to give it to the Russians don't

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want to give it to Chinese and when it's

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the time is right we'll give it to the

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the public and the one they always point

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point out is GPS GPS used to be

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classified US military and then we

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handed it off and you guys got to

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benefit from it but we get to use it

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first so we get to develop bombs and

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whatever we're going to do with it and

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then we'll spin off the stuff into

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technology and a lot of the guys you're

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asking about whistleblowers a lot of the

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guys are guys like um Gary Nolan has got

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whatever 50 patents 40 patents whatever

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Timothy Taylor's got 40 patents uh Eric

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Davis I don't know if he's got any

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patents help put us probably got a

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couple of patents and so if you're in

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the background and you're in this

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invisible College are you gonna give

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this thing up or are you going to sit

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there and wait for the information so

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you can follow the patent and be a

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multi-millionaire and live on the top of

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the hill and so there's all these

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different reasons why these guys will be

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sitting in the background and uh not

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disclosing I don't think the one of of

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ridicule is any more because that was

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when I started in the 75 that was a big

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thing was the ridicule but since the New

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York Times article which I was totally

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surprised I never believed it would

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happen uh I used to say disclosure he

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used to tell Steve Bassett the

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disclosure to 2042 if you're lucky I

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mean they're never going to let it no

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way but what they've done and I've done

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two books I did the the well two at

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least two books I did the one uh UFOs

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Area 51 in government performance and

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also managing magic and both those books

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talk about how the government has been

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leaking material and you'll hear Chris

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melon Chris melon said this is absolute

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nonsense uh there's there's nobody

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leaking this breadcrumb thing this is

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totally insane uh this is bottom up this

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it's coming up from the bottom and

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forcing the government and in some ways

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some of the people are coming up from

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the bottom like Elizondo and melon and

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and they're forcing the government to do

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stuff but the idea that they're not

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dropping stuff is absolutely insane all

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you have to do is take a look at Tom

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Delong going into a Lockheed skiff and

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and they was talking to him and he's

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saying oh I can get to this to the young

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people you can't get to see young people

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your your message is being missed or

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whatever and then they sit there and

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then the guy says okay introduce them to

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the general and that that's the thing so

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then he gets he didn't find those guys

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everybody has Tom DeLonge did this whole

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thing he built this thing no he didn't

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he he the first thing they sent him to

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these two intelligence guys outside the

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Pentagon in Pentagon City and that's

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where the big meeting took place with

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Leslie Kane the same day that Elizondo

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retired uh unless he can't help it off

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um all these uh Jim semi van they were

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all in the room with with Elizondo and

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they made this plan that they were gonna

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drop this video and they got the video

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out and I always say how do you get the

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video out how did they get the video out

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you can't just it's like the the whole

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Trump thing you can't because you've got

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it in your possession it may be nine

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tenths of the law but it only the

538
00:17:44,930 --> 00:17:42,780
government owns it you can't walk away

539
00:17:46,669 --> 00:17:44,940
if you resign like Elizondo and say I'm

540
00:17:48,110 --> 00:17:46,679
disgusted with how UFOs are being held

541
00:17:50,029 --> 00:17:48,120
and I'm just resigning they don't give

542
00:17:51,049 --> 00:17:50,039
you videos for a goodbye president those

543
00:17:52,789 --> 00:17:51,059
are it doesn't matter whether they're

544
00:17:54,350 --> 00:17:52,799
classified unclassified they still

545
00:17:55,789 --> 00:17:54,360
belong to the government and how did

546
00:17:57,890 --> 00:17:55,799
they get them out and now they're

547
00:17:59,330 --> 00:17:57,900
actually admitted that somebody helped

548
00:18:01,250 --> 00:17:59,340
them sneak them out and they gave them

549
00:18:03,230 --> 00:18:01,260
to the New York Times so that disclosure

550
00:18:04,370 --> 00:18:03,240
took place and now people ask me well

551
00:18:05,630 --> 00:18:04,380
when do you think the ultimate

552
00:18:06,650 --> 00:18:05,640
disclosure will take place I said I

553
00:18:08,570 --> 00:18:06,660
wouldn't be surprised if it happens this

554
00:18:09,950 --> 00:18:08,580
afternoon because I was so wrong on this

555
00:18:10,850 --> 00:18:09,960
thing I never believed they would do

556
00:18:13,789 --> 00:18:10,860
this

557
00:18:14,990 --> 00:18:13,799
thing but they're keeping control of the

558
00:18:17,390 --> 00:18:15,000
story you don't want to Spill the milk

559
00:18:19,549 --> 00:18:17,400
so you you go back and you see Disney

560
00:18:22,190 --> 00:18:19,559
was approached to do UFO documentaries

561
00:18:24,950 --> 00:18:22,200
my friend Bob animator was posted in in

562
00:18:27,650 --> 00:18:24,960
uh he didn't believe it he you know the

563
00:18:30,169 --> 00:18:27,660
guy said you know uh I want you to do a

564
00:18:33,169 --> 00:18:30,179
UFO uh documentary this is the head of

565
00:18:35,390 --> 00:18:33,179
security at Norton Air Force Base where

566
00:18:36,529 --> 00:18:35,400
all the films kept for the military and

567
00:18:38,390 --> 00:18:36,539
he said I want you to do these eight

568
00:18:40,669 --> 00:18:38,400
documentaries and then under it I want

569
00:18:41,870 --> 00:18:40,679
you to do this documentary on UFOs and I

570
00:18:43,789 --> 00:18:41,880
want you to hide it under the other

571
00:18:46,070 --> 00:18:43,799
eight documentaries and Alan Sadler and

572
00:18:47,750 --> 00:18:46,080
and emanager said what what do you mean

573
00:18:49,610 --> 00:18:47,760
and then Bob Emmanuel says what do you

574
00:18:51,049 --> 00:18:49,620
mean this is real he's he said I used to

575
00:18:52,250 --> 00:18:51,059
tell my wife quit reading that stuff in

576
00:18:54,110 --> 00:18:52,260
the National Enquirer about the alien

577
00:18:56,330 --> 00:18:54,120
had my baby this is absolute nonsense

578
00:18:58,010 --> 00:18:56,340
and then he said to to Charlotte he says

579
00:18:59,390 --> 00:18:58,020
I mean this is actually true there

580
00:19:00,950 --> 00:18:59,400
actually are and he said and then

581
00:19:02,450 --> 00:19:00,960
Charlotte says what right what would you

582
00:19:04,190 --> 00:19:02,460
say if I told you that there'd been a

583
00:19:05,450 --> 00:19:04,200
landing in Haldeman Air Force Base it

584
00:19:07,549 --> 00:19:05,460
was filmed from three different angles

585
00:19:09,289 --> 00:19:07,559
at six o'clock in the morning and uh

586
00:19:12,770 --> 00:19:09,299
we'll give you this film for the end of

587
00:19:13,909 --> 00:19:12,780
the documentary and uh the annicker is

588
00:19:15,529 --> 00:19:13,919
just blown away and they gave him the

589
00:19:16,909 --> 00:19:15,539
story about channeling the alien at the

590
00:19:19,549 --> 00:19:16,919
Pentagon we never knew that story in

591
00:19:21,169 --> 00:19:19,559
1959 and they gave them eight seconds of

592
00:19:23,029 --> 00:19:21,179
the film in the end the story was oh

593
00:19:24,529 --> 00:19:23,039
they took the film back we had to give

594
00:19:25,850 --> 00:19:24,539
back this film of this Landing that they

595
00:19:27,650 --> 00:19:25,860
filmed where these aliens come out and

596
00:19:28,970 --> 00:19:27,660
meet these generals and they all this

597
00:19:30,950 --> 00:19:28,980
sort of stuff and it's all caught on

598
00:19:32,810 --> 00:19:30,960
film and we had to give the film back

599
00:19:35,690 --> 00:19:32,820
and then I said to Bob at the end I said

600
00:19:37,490 --> 00:19:35,700
Bob you got eight seconds that film is

601
00:19:40,190 --> 00:19:37,500
in the film isn't that is that right and

602
00:19:42,049 --> 00:19:40,200
he said well yeah I thought you said

603
00:19:43,310 --> 00:19:42,059
they took the film back I mean you

604
00:19:44,690 --> 00:19:43,320
couldn't use it and it's like the old

605
00:19:46,250 --> 00:19:44,700
thing is disclosure and this is a

606
00:19:48,169 --> 00:19:46,260
gradual disclosure so he said well yeah

607
00:19:50,090 --> 00:19:48,179
there's eight seconds but it didn't show

608
00:19:51,909 --> 00:19:50,100
anything and it you could see this thing

609
00:19:55,190 --> 00:19:51,919
coming over the mountain coming in in

610
00:19:56,750 --> 00:19:55,200
daylight to land and it didn't show the

611
00:19:57,770 --> 00:19:56,760
aliens up close and it didn't show the

612
00:19:58,909 --> 00:19:57,780
craft and that would be the classified

613
00:20:00,470 --> 00:19:58,919
part so they're given this little eight

614
00:20:02,510 --> 00:20:00,480
seconds and they put it in there they've

615
00:20:04,909 --> 00:20:02,520
been doing this in 83 emanager was

616
00:20:06,230 --> 00:20:04,919
approached again and and he said the

617
00:20:08,330 --> 00:20:06,240
government the government liked what you

618
00:20:09,710 --> 00:20:08,340
did in the 1970s they'd like you to do

619
00:20:12,409 --> 00:20:09,720
another documentary and they'd like to

620
00:20:15,770 --> 00:20:12,419
have a hell put on off not to help off

621
00:20:18,529 --> 00:20:15,780
um Jacques valet and uh jail and heineck

622
00:20:19,730 --> 00:20:18,539
involved and Heineken ballet canva thing

623
00:20:20,810 --> 00:20:19,740
they said Dragon Ball we know what

624
00:20:22,070 --> 00:20:20,820
happened in the hole in our first base

625
00:20:22,789 --> 00:20:22,080
film we're not getting involved in this

626
00:20:23,930 --> 00:20:22,799
thing they're just going to grab

627
00:20:26,630 --> 00:20:23,940
everything and pull it at the end and

628
00:20:30,409 --> 00:20:26,640
we're gonna look like fools and um so

629
00:20:32,990 --> 00:20:30,419
then emenegger immediately said is this

630
00:20:35,750 --> 00:20:33,000
is Reagan doing this because in he had

631
00:20:37,730 --> 00:20:35,760
known Holloman from the Nixon

632
00:20:40,789 --> 00:20:37,740
Administration and he knew the head of

633
00:20:42,529 --> 00:20:40,799
communications for Nixon so he had these

634
00:20:44,029 --> 00:20:42,539
inside people and the the head of

635
00:20:45,230 --> 00:20:44,039
communications for Nixon was watching

636
00:20:46,730 --> 00:20:45,240
this documentary every day he was

637
00:20:48,350 --> 00:20:46,740
phoning up how's the documentary coming

638
00:20:49,789 --> 00:20:48,360
and all that sort of stuff and he got a

639
00:20:52,250 --> 00:20:49,799
letter from Nixon at the very end which

640
00:20:53,870 --> 00:20:52,260
he still hasn't released he's still sort

641
00:20:55,430 --> 00:20:53,880
of claiming he doesn't have it that said

642
00:20:57,169 --> 00:20:55,440
thank you for your cooperation on the

643
00:20:59,510 --> 00:20:57,179
project we worked on and that was a

644
00:21:01,070 --> 00:20:59,520
signed letter from Richard Nixon so yeah

645
00:21:02,630 --> 00:21:01,080
the government is doing it they are

646
00:21:05,690 --> 00:21:02,640
leaking the stuff you can't have people

647
00:21:06,830 --> 00:21:05,700
back in 1947 in their intelligence even

648
00:21:08,870 --> 00:21:06,840
um if you I don't know if you followed

649
00:21:11,330 --> 00:21:08,880
the story of Chase Brandon he was a CIA

650
00:21:12,830 --> 00:21:11,340
guy who went uh he retired third it's

651
00:21:14,390 --> 00:21:12,840
always the retired like all these guys

652
00:21:15,890 --> 00:21:14,400
are retired Elizondo and all these guys

653
00:21:17,750 --> 00:21:15,900
and that's when they can sort of talk so

654
00:21:18,770 --> 00:21:17,760
they go on the contract and they're not

655
00:21:20,210 --> 00:21:18,780
really the government they're under

656
00:21:22,310 --> 00:21:20,220
contract and all assessments and stuff

657
00:21:24,110 --> 00:21:22,320
and so Chase Brandon wrote this book

658
00:21:26,150 --> 00:21:24,120
about how this how the CIA handled the

659
00:21:28,250 --> 00:21:26,160
Roswell crash and then he said it was

660
00:21:29,810 --> 00:21:28,260
reviewed eight times by the CIA and they

661
00:21:31,730 --> 00:21:29,820
made the change this change that you

662
00:21:33,409 --> 00:21:31,740
know change the names change the place

663
00:21:34,669 --> 00:21:33,419
and all sort of stuff and then he got it

664
00:21:36,710 --> 00:21:34,679
he got it released and he said if he

665
00:21:38,029 --> 00:21:36,720
wanted a good read the book if you want

666
00:21:40,430 --> 00:21:38,039
to learn something read between the

667
00:21:42,830 --> 00:21:40,440
lines and he's and he was the head of in

668
00:21:44,930 --> 00:21:42,840
a CIA for for Hollywood so they do this

669
00:21:47,029 --> 00:21:44,940
on everything in Hollywood so if you're

670
00:21:50,390 --> 00:21:47,039
Chase Brandon your job is to go to

671
00:21:52,669 --> 00:21:50,400
Hollywood and say hey uh

672
00:21:55,610 --> 00:21:52,679
Jason I heard you're uh doing a uh

673
00:21:57,649 --> 00:21:55,620
documentary uh a film uh it involves the

674
00:21:59,870 --> 00:21:57,659
cia's involved in you got in them in the

675
00:22:01,909 --> 00:21:59,880
film yeah you ever been to the CIA no

676
00:22:03,230 --> 00:22:01,919
you like to go to the CI hey we'll take

677
00:22:04,430 --> 00:22:03,240
care we'll show you around we'll try and

678
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:04,440
then what they're trying to do is not

679
00:22:07,370 --> 00:22:06,000
stop you from doing it they're trying to

680
00:22:08,810 --> 00:22:07,380
direct you in a certain direction they

681
00:22:10,070 --> 00:22:08,820
want this they want to spin it in a

682
00:22:11,149 --> 00:22:10,080
certain direction so they make friends

683
00:22:12,529 --> 00:22:11,159
with everybody in Hollywood and it

684
00:22:14,510 --> 00:22:12,539
happens all the time they need a couple

685
00:22:15,890 --> 00:22:14,520
of jets to say yeah okay we will give

686
00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:15,900
you a couple of jets for your film but

687
00:22:19,370 --> 00:22:17,760
you know uh could you do this and then

688
00:22:20,930 --> 00:22:19,380
and they get to review the script and

689
00:22:22,370 --> 00:22:20,940
and so the government is I don't care

690
00:22:24,169 --> 00:22:22,380
what nobody says the government is

691
00:22:25,909 --> 00:22:24,179
gradually releasing this stuff they're

692
00:22:28,490 --> 00:22:25,919
they're dropping this stuff and you see

693
00:22:29,870 --> 00:22:28,500
it over and over again and but yet melon

694
00:22:31,610 --> 00:22:29,880
is running around it's like nah but then

695
00:22:34,669 --> 00:22:31,620
that melon he was on Coast to Coast with

696
00:22:36,529 --> 00:22:34,679
me in 19 in 2016 and he said I could

697
00:22:39,409 --> 00:22:36,539
absolutely assure you there is no UFO

698
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:39,419
cover-up there is no UFO investigation I

699
00:22:43,190 --> 00:22:41,280
had this big position if there was a

700
00:22:44,990 --> 00:22:43,200
cover-up I would have known about it I

701
00:22:46,909 --> 00:22:45,000
was at Area 51 he tells the whole story

702
00:22:48,590 --> 00:22:46,919
so I would have known and then now you

703
00:22:50,330 --> 00:22:48,600
know a year later suddenly he's on stage

704
00:22:52,250 --> 00:22:50,340
with Tom Delong and like oh we're gonna

705
00:22:54,169 --> 00:22:52,260
least this government's covering up and

706
00:22:55,250 --> 00:22:54,179
stuff so he basically was out of the

707
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:55,260
loop and they brought him back in the

708
00:22:59,570 --> 00:22:57,600
loop but again you even have the thing

709
00:23:01,070 --> 00:22:59,580
with um if you know the story of Jim

710
00:23:02,690 --> 00:23:01,080
semivan

711
00:23:04,610 --> 00:23:02,700
um if you ever get him on he's he's an

712
00:23:06,950 --> 00:23:04,620
interesting guy you you mentioned quite

713
00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:06,960
a few names and pretty well all of them

714
00:23:10,730 --> 00:23:08,640
with the exception of how put off we've

715
00:23:13,250 --> 00:23:10,740
had on the show so Leslie Kane Jacques

716
00:23:15,230 --> 00:23:13,260
valet Jim semivan uh you know George

717
00:23:17,149 --> 00:23:15,240
Knapp all these guys talking about and

718
00:23:19,490 --> 00:23:17,159
we asked them the same thing about the

719
00:23:22,010 --> 00:23:19,500
Tic Tac video George Knapp had done a

720
00:23:23,690 --> 00:23:22,020
lot of preliminary work before that and

721
00:23:25,070 --> 00:23:23,700
then he basically said yeah if it didn't

722
00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:25,080
go through Tom Delong and they didn't

723
00:23:28,730 --> 00:23:26,880
have that media exposure they weren't

724
00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:28,740
going to run the story Leslie Kane

725
00:23:31,730 --> 00:23:30,240
corroborated the same thing as she was

726
00:23:33,649 --> 00:23:31,740
on last week she's a New York Times

727
00:23:36,770 --> 00:23:33,659
Reporter yeah and was part of that right

728
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:36,780
so and Jim semivan is a former CIA spy

729
00:23:41,930 --> 00:23:39,120
so we're asking him like man give us the

730
00:23:43,370 --> 00:23:41,940
goods and basically to sum it all up a

731
00:23:45,289 --> 00:23:43,380
lot of these comments we get from people

732
00:23:46,850 --> 00:23:45,299
are like you know the government's in on

733
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:46,860
it or there's some type of Nefarious

734
00:23:50,990 --> 00:23:49,679
agenda maybe maybe back in the day they

735
00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:51,000
handled things different early maybe

736
00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:52,799
there was a real risk of getting shot or

737
00:23:56,750 --> 00:23:55,200
disappearing as you said you know they

738
00:23:59,330 --> 00:23:56,760
don't quite do things the same anymore

739
00:24:00,830 --> 00:23:59,340
they've kind of evolved and you know you

740
00:24:02,270 --> 00:24:00,840
can't really make people disappear and

741
00:24:03,890 --> 00:24:02,280
maybe they never did maybe they did

742
00:24:05,870 --> 00:24:03,900
Richard Doty makes it that much more

743
00:24:07,370 --> 00:24:05,880
confusing right yeah yeah but to sum it

744
00:24:09,529 --> 00:24:07,380
up all these people we talked to all

745
00:24:11,330 --> 00:24:09,539
basically said the same thing yes the

746
00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:11,340
government knows yes they've always

747
00:24:15,169 --> 00:24:13,679
known uh you know they've done projects

748
00:24:17,149 --> 00:24:15,179
to kind of give out a little bit but

749
00:24:18,590 --> 00:24:17,159
really not give it out and you know

750
00:24:20,510 --> 00:24:18,600
Stephen Bassett was another name you

751
00:24:21,770 --> 00:24:20,520
brought up we asked him and he said the

752
00:24:24,049 --> 00:24:21,780
same thing if you're never going to get

753
00:24:26,090 --> 00:24:24,059
it like they already know it's not like

754
00:24:27,710 --> 00:24:26,100
you know and maybe that makes sense why

755
00:24:29,149 --> 00:24:27,720
Jacques Valley says hey I go to this

756
00:24:30,409 --> 00:24:29,159
Consortium the Americans aren't there

757
00:24:32,210 --> 00:24:30,419
why are you going to show up because

758
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:32,220
then you have to comment if you already

759
00:24:35,330 --> 00:24:33,840
know this is legit and real and

760
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:35,340
happening you're just gonna say yeah no

761
00:24:38,810 --> 00:24:36,960
we're good because you don't want to

762
00:24:41,330 --> 00:24:38,820
have to go there and make any statements

763
00:24:43,490 --> 00:24:41,340
on this uh and and for the people that

764
00:24:45,770 --> 00:24:43,500
are very like government conspiracy

765
00:24:47,090 --> 00:24:45,780
minded you brought up a great Point some

766
00:24:49,549 --> 00:24:47,100
of these people that are in these

767
00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:49,559
positions of power have patents and have

768
00:24:53,570 --> 00:24:51,840
businesses and and it's about making

769
00:24:55,250 --> 00:24:53,580
money as well so it's not that they want

770
00:24:57,470 --> 00:24:55,260
to hide this secret and use it for their

771
00:24:59,390 --> 00:24:57,480
own technology but really the military

772
00:25:01,070 --> 00:24:59,400
is going to gonna take it before anybody

773
00:25:02,930 --> 00:25:01,080
gets their hands on it they're going to

774
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:02,940
put bombs on spaceships before they find

775
00:25:06,890 --> 00:25:05,520
a cure for cancer or let us have it you

776
00:25:08,570 --> 00:25:06,900
know it's always going to be a

777
00:25:11,330 --> 00:25:08,580
military-based thing that's just the

778
00:25:13,850 --> 00:25:11,340
nature of who we are but it may not be

779
00:25:15,890 --> 00:25:13,860
as evil as some people think and it may

780
00:25:18,169 --> 00:25:15,900
not be total nonsense like other people

781
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:18,179
think it's definitely in between and

782
00:25:21,950 --> 00:25:19,919
every big name Person we've ever had on

783
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:21,960
this show we asked they all have the

784
00:25:25,610 --> 00:25:23,520
same thing in common and they know

785
00:25:27,950 --> 00:25:25,620
they're on the inside yeah I would say

786
00:25:30,710 --> 00:25:27,960
the Insiders are are the the if there's

787
00:25:32,930 --> 00:25:30,720
ever a cabal it's it's big money it's

788
00:25:34,850 --> 00:25:32,940
big big business because I mean you get

789
00:25:36,649 --> 00:25:34,860
a situation where

790
00:25:37,850 --> 00:25:36,659
um you know some billionaire comes in

791
00:25:39,529 --> 00:25:37,860
like with the what is it the Wisconsin

792
00:25:42,110 --> 00:25:39,539
he came in and dropped 10 million

793
00:25:43,850 --> 00:25:42,120
dollars into this campaign I mean 10

794
00:25:45,529 --> 00:25:43,860
million you got to pay this guy back and

795
00:25:48,289 --> 00:25:45,539
that's how it works whoever's financing

796
00:25:49,909 --> 00:25:48,299
your campaign you have to back so these

797
00:25:52,370 --> 00:25:49,919
big business guys they're throwing piles

798
00:25:54,649 --> 00:25:52,380
of money and this thing and um you know

799
00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:54,659
you'd vote for it's the same sort of

800
00:25:57,049 --> 00:25:55,679
thing you're going to get an advantage

801
00:25:58,610 --> 00:25:57,059
the same as if you're a big money guy

802
00:26:00,169 --> 00:25:58,620
and you get somebody who's going to cut

803
00:26:01,490 --> 00:26:00,179
taxes for the rich well of course you're

804
00:26:03,289 --> 00:26:01,500
going to drop 10 million to make sure

805
00:26:04,370 --> 00:26:03,299
those guys get control of the senate in

806
00:26:05,390 --> 00:26:04,380
the United States the rule I said

807
00:26:06,830 --> 00:26:05,400
there's only three rules in the United

808
00:26:08,269 --> 00:26:06,840
States there's money money and money

809
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:08,279
those are the three top rules in the

810
00:26:11,810 --> 00:26:10,080
United States and it's all worked on

811
00:26:13,490 --> 00:26:11,820
who's your friend and who's got the

812
00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:13,500
money and the government's changing and

813
00:26:16,130 --> 00:26:14,640
they always want to play this game you

814
00:26:17,690 --> 00:26:16,140
know like the president's stupid he

815
00:26:19,610 --> 00:26:17,700
doesn't know what's going on with UFOs

816
00:26:20,990 --> 00:26:19,620
oh you know he's a he's an idiot and

817
00:26:22,730 --> 00:26:21,000
stuff and it's what you said this thing

818
00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:22,740
when you go to Europe you have possible

819
00:26:26,330 --> 00:26:24,960
deniability where you say you know if

820
00:26:28,850 --> 00:26:26,340
you need to be briefed we'll tell you

821
00:26:31,010 --> 00:26:28,860
but otherwise and Obama went looking for

822
00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:31,020
it and Clinton went looking for it and

823
00:26:34,669 --> 00:26:33,120
uh they they got some material but it's

824
00:26:37,370 --> 00:26:34,679
it's always this plausible and liability

825
00:26:38,810 --> 00:26:37,380
that if if you if somebody you stand up

826
00:26:40,250 --> 00:26:38,820
and you could ask a question you can say

827
00:26:41,450 --> 00:26:40,260
I don't know and they they want to

828
00:26:43,010 --> 00:26:41,460
protect us they make the president look

829
00:26:44,570 --> 00:26:43,020
like he's an idiot every President is

830
00:26:47,930 --> 00:26:44,580
known I've talked about this I even

831
00:26:49,549 --> 00:26:47,940
talked about uh a study I've been leaked

832
00:26:51,649 --> 00:26:49,559
a lot of documents the one I got was

833
00:26:53,149 --> 00:26:51,659
this this study for President Johnson

834
00:26:54,769 --> 00:26:53,159
Johnson looked like he was out of the

835
00:26:56,690 --> 00:26:54,779
loop and I got this whole study here

836
00:26:58,250 --> 00:26:56,700
that Johnson did and the guy was the guy

837
00:26:59,390 --> 00:26:58,260
that was in charge of the study was

838
00:27:02,570 --> 00:26:59,400
going to

839
00:27:04,669 --> 00:27:02,580
he dies and his his daughter gets hold

840
00:27:06,409 --> 00:27:04,679
of it and then somebody else gets copy

841
00:27:07,909 --> 00:27:06,419
and some photographs and then they send

842
00:27:09,769 --> 00:27:07,919
me the photographs of this I'm trying to

843
00:27:11,210 --> 00:27:09,779
get the whole manuscript but basically

844
00:27:13,070 --> 00:27:11,220
it's it's exactly what you see today

845
00:27:15,049 --> 00:27:13,080
it's no different it's like yeah UFOs

846
00:27:16,850 --> 00:27:15,059
exist and beyond that we haven't got a

847
00:27:18,830 --> 00:27:16,860
clue what's going on I mean yeah they're

848
00:27:20,390 --> 00:27:18,840
running the show and the same thing when

849
00:27:22,970 --> 00:27:20,400
you even see the people that they picked

850
00:27:25,310 --> 00:27:22,980
were basically the same people who are

851
00:27:27,470 --> 00:27:25,320
picked today they had the head of uh the

852
00:27:29,450 --> 00:27:27,480
head of the the weird desk at that time

853
00:27:32,570 --> 00:27:29,460
was was Arthur lundahl and now we've

854
00:27:37,310 --> 00:27:32,580
we've got uh rumored that uh

855
00:27:39,169 --> 00:27:37,320
uh Jim uh pandolf is involved you have

856
00:27:41,210 --> 00:27:39,179
um the head of Lockheed Skunk Works was

857
00:27:43,310 --> 00:27:41,220
involved in in the 19th in this Johnson

858
00:27:44,649 --> 00:27:43,320
study and here you have when when the

859
00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:44,659
the the

860
00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:47,760
documents leaked from uh Tom DeLonge you

861
00:27:52,190 --> 00:27:49,440
had Robert Weiss head of Lucky Skunk

862
00:27:54,649 --> 00:27:52,200
Works uh they had a in the 60s they had

863
00:27:56,390 --> 00:27:54,659
a uh Tom Delong had a two-star general

864
00:27:57,950 --> 00:27:56,400
at Ray Patterson Air Force Base they had

865
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:57,960
a four-star general right better and it

866
00:28:01,909 --> 00:28:00,000
was the same list of characters and it's

867
00:28:03,230 --> 00:28:01,919
like they run that same pattern if you

868
00:28:04,730 --> 00:28:03,240
need to study then you need Lockheed

869
00:28:06,169 --> 00:28:04,740
Skunk Works and stuff and that may be

870
00:28:08,330 --> 00:28:06,179
one of the problems that you if you hear

871
00:28:10,010 --> 00:28:08,340
if you read between lines what Elizondo

872
00:28:12,110 --> 00:28:10,020
saying Alexander says well there's

873
00:28:14,450 --> 00:28:12,120
problems with the disclosure because you

874
00:28:16,850 --> 00:28:14,460
know maybe one company got something

875
00:28:18,590 --> 00:28:16,860
that another company may not have gotten

876
00:28:19,850 --> 00:28:18,600
and that's the kind of thing where if

877
00:28:22,010 --> 00:28:19,860
you really realize that they gave it to

878
00:28:23,570 --> 00:28:22,020
Lockheed Skunk Works and you know the

879
00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:23,580
the all these other companies that start

880
00:28:26,810 --> 00:28:25,440
to sue and say you gave them a special

881
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:26,820
Advantage with government government

882
00:28:30,529 --> 00:28:28,799
money with taxpayer money and stuff like

883
00:28:32,510 --> 00:28:30,539
that so there's these issues but

884
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:32,520
ultimately I cannot see them Disco

885
00:28:37,490 --> 00:28:34,799
closing anything beyond dropping little

886
00:28:40,430 --> 00:28:37,500
breadcrumbs as to what's going on

887
00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:40,440
because to them the military it's always

888
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:42,720
going to be you need an enemy it's US

889
00:28:46,730 --> 00:28:44,880
versus them in the whole UFO Community I

890
00:28:48,590 --> 00:28:46,740
say that the UFO message is always

891
00:28:50,510 --> 00:28:48,600
Oneness all the beings there's always

892
00:28:52,669 --> 00:28:50,520
Oneness them it's always separation it's

893
00:28:54,769 --> 00:28:52,679
US versus them and the military will and

894
00:28:55,669 --> 00:28:54,779
that's how I can tell you this whole

895
00:28:57,289 --> 00:28:55,679
story if you want to hear the story

896
00:29:00,289 --> 00:28:57,299
about how the Canadian thing fell apart

897
00:29:03,710 --> 00:29:00,299
so we were negotiating I had made a I

898
00:29:05,390 --> 00:29:03,720
just got a brilliant idea that uh Dave

899
00:29:08,330 --> 00:29:05,400
Scott started this thing

900
00:29:09,890 --> 00:29:08,340
and one of the MPS that was the main guy

901
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:09,900
who was involved was Larry McGuire who's

902
00:29:15,710 --> 00:29:12,960
out of Manitoba and I'm in Manitoba and

903
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:15,720
um so McGuire and another guy I was

904
00:29:19,850 --> 00:29:17,760
asked by a big money business guy same

905
00:29:22,490 --> 00:29:19,860
thing big money business guy can you

906
00:29:24,409 --> 00:29:22,500
provide the Canadians documents from the

907
00:29:25,730 --> 00:29:24,419
1950s from Wilbur Smith for these guys I

908
00:29:28,010 --> 00:29:25,740
said yeah so I gave them a link on the

909
00:29:29,330 --> 00:29:28,020
internet on a OneDrive on my on my

910
00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:29,340
OneDrive and they could access all the

911
00:29:32,810 --> 00:29:30,960
documents or whatever and then a couple

912
00:29:34,549 --> 00:29:32,820
years later I hear Dave Scott talking

913
00:29:36,409 --> 00:29:34,559
about Larry McGuire who wants to do

914
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:36,419
something whatever and then I'm thinking

915
00:29:41,870 --> 00:29:39,120
to myself well I could get a panel of uh

916
00:29:43,789 --> 00:29:41,880
top government people and and

917
00:29:47,269 --> 00:29:43,799
um I heard there was more than one so I

918
00:29:49,789 --> 00:29:47,279
I approached McGuire's assistant who had

919
00:29:51,409 --> 00:29:49,799
contacted me a couple years ago and I

920
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:51,419
said well if I put a panel together and

921
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:54,960
I put Lou alizando Chris Mellon

922
00:29:59,630 --> 00:29:57,600
um uh Avi Loeb from Harvard and who was

923
00:30:02,930 --> 00:29:59,640
the fourth one oh Nolan if I put him on

924
00:30:04,909 --> 00:30:02,940
a panel and you get the 10 the MPS the

925
00:30:06,529 --> 00:30:04,919
couple of MPS and we just have a panel

926
00:30:08,990 --> 00:30:06,539
and we have on the internet and we

927
00:30:10,250 --> 00:30:09,000
broadcast live and these MPS because

928
00:30:11,690 --> 00:30:10,260
they don't know what's going on and

929
00:30:13,549 --> 00:30:11,700
McGuire was briefing these people I

930
00:30:15,230 --> 00:30:13,559
didn't realize this McGuire was briefing

931
00:30:16,850 --> 00:30:15,240
these MPS behind the scenes there's a

932
00:30:17,870 --> 00:30:16,860
bunch of people who are interested but

933
00:30:19,549 --> 00:30:17,880
they don't want to come forward so

934
00:30:20,750 --> 00:30:19,559
McGuire's giving them these documents

935
00:30:23,210 --> 00:30:20,760
and bringing them up to speed who's

936
00:30:24,649 --> 00:30:23,220
bubbles are what's one all this kind of

937
00:30:27,950 --> 00:30:24,659
stuff and just feeding them this stuff

938
00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:27,960
so I hit the aid came back and said yeah

939
00:30:34,669 --> 00:30:30,720
we can do that and I said oh okay so I

940
00:30:37,970 --> 00:30:34,679
contact uh as indirectly I contact uh Lu

941
00:30:39,710 --> 00:30:37,980
Elizondo and it comes back and uh

942
00:30:41,330 --> 00:30:39,720
Elizondo says sure I'll do that sounds

943
00:30:42,889 --> 00:30:41,340
sounds good because he'd already talked

944
00:30:45,409 --> 00:30:42,899
to McGuire he had already had a

945
00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:45,419
conversation with him and I said exactly

946
00:30:48,529 --> 00:30:46,559
the same as the first time when when

947
00:30:50,029 --> 00:30:48,539
McGuire talked to him he's just a

948
00:30:50,930 --> 00:30:50,039
general conversation I want to know

949
00:30:53,149 --> 00:30:50,940
about this I want to know about that

950
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:53,159
there's no you know you just the MPS ask

951
00:30:56,330 --> 00:30:54,480
whatever they want and that's when I

952
00:30:57,590 --> 00:30:56,340
learned there was 10 MPS and there was

953
00:30:59,750 --> 00:30:57,600
from the three different parties from

954
00:31:01,730 --> 00:30:59,760
the NDP from the the Liberals and the

955
00:31:03,830 --> 00:31:01,740
conservatives and the the Quebec party

956
00:31:05,810 --> 00:31:03,840
they we would have had a translator I

957
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:05,820
did get a translator but it was too much

958
00:31:09,649 --> 00:31:07,200
trouble because they they said it had to

959
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:09,659
be broadcast in French as well otherwise

960
00:31:13,370 --> 00:31:11,279
they wouldn't participate but so we had

961
00:31:17,210 --> 00:31:13,380
these 10 MPS and so we're gonna have 10

962
00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:17,220
MPS would have lozondo Nolan Abby Loeb

963
00:31:21,289 --> 00:31:19,679
and melon on a panel and they would just

964
00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:21,299
ask these questions so I went through

965
00:31:23,450 --> 00:31:22,559
the first one and they didn't like I

966
00:31:24,769 --> 00:31:23,460
used

967
00:31:27,169 --> 00:31:24,779
um

968
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:27,179
uh I'm not going to forget his name oh

969
00:31:31,130 --> 00:31:29,760
shoot I had a moderator so I was going

970
00:31:32,029 --> 00:31:31,140
to make it like a like a moderator it

971
00:31:34,370 --> 00:31:32,039
wasn't going to be me I was going to

972
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:34,380
sort of stay out of it and Kurt Kurt

973
00:31:38,269 --> 00:31:36,000
jamungo was going to be the moderator

974
00:31:40,130 --> 00:31:38,279
and for some reason they don't like Kurt

975
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:40,140
German gold they just like they said oh

976
00:31:44,510 --> 00:31:42,000
I heard it indirectly oh they didn't

977
00:31:47,930 --> 00:31:44,520
like him being on we had a we had a a

978
00:31:49,310 --> 00:31:47,940
pod like a zoom meeting and they were

979
00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:49,320
all for it and they seemed all good and

980
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:50,399
then after the meeting it was like

981
00:31:54,169 --> 00:31:52,559
what's your mango we want him and they

982
00:31:55,789 --> 00:31:54,179
had all the stuff we don't like this guy

983
00:31:57,049 --> 00:31:55,799
and you got to pull him and stuff so

984
00:31:58,730 --> 00:31:57,059
then when the second meeting came along

985
00:32:00,409 --> 00:31:58,740
I talked to my assistant Nicole sakich

986
00:32:02,330 --> 00:32:00,419
who was doing a lot of the interaction

987
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:02,340
with me and I said well are they are

988
00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:04,799
they coming on Kirk germungle has the

989
00:32:08,570 --> 00:32:07,200
the link are they coming on and then I

990
00:32:10,130 --> 00:32:08,580
heard yeah he's coming on and I figure

991
00:32:11,690 --> 00:32:10,140
oh they're they're not that concerned

992
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:11,700
then they came on and they were all

993
00:32:15,230 --> 00:32:13,440
they're all eager about this and Lou

994
00:32:16,430 --> 00:32:15,240
Elizondo says oh I'm ready for another

995
00:32:17,690 --> 00:32:16,440
meeting I said no we don't need another

996
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:17,700
meeting let's just say when we're going

997
00:32:22,370 --> 00:32:19,200
to do this and the date was going to be

998
00:32:23,690 --> 00:32:22,380
August the 28th I think at two o'clock

999
00:32:25,490 --> 00:32:23,700
in the afternoon because that's when MPS

1000
00:32:27,169 --> 00:32:25,500
are available it was going to only be

1001
00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:27,179
two hours we're gonna have two different

1002
00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:29,279
panels one for the first two of them in

1003
00:32:32,510 --> 00:32:30,720
the first hour two of them second hour

1004
00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:32,520
so that the MPS wouldn't get bored and

1005
00:32:35,810 --> 00:32:34,559
walk away or whatever and they would

1006
00:32:37,549 --> 00:32:35,820
just ask questions anything they wanted

1007
00:32:38,210 --> 00:32:37,559
and then suddenly

1008
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:38,220
um

1009
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:45,840
spokesman said oh we did you're going to

1010
00:32:49,250 --> 00:32:47,760
turn this into they pulled out they said

1011
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:49,260
oh we don't like your Mongol you put

1012
00:32:53,110 --> 00:32:50,880
them in there and we said we didn't want

1013
00:32:55,610 --> 00:32:53,120
him whatever and then uh the other

1014
00:32:57,230 --> 00:32:55,620
concern they had was oh you're going to

1015
00:32:59,149 --> 00:32:57,240
turn this into a spectacle and I said

1016
00:33:00,889 --> 00:32:59,159
well yeah I'm gonna exactly I'm gonna

1017
00:33:03,049 --> 00:33:00,899
turn into spectacle what else would I do

1018
00:33:04,490 --> 00:33:03,059
and and and they said we we're not going

1019
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:04,500
to answer questions that people can

1020
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:06,480
answer on Google and I'm going like are

1021
00:33:11,090 --> 00:33:09,120
you kidding me so some dumb is some MP

1022
00:33:12,289 --> 00:33:11,100
doesn't know he's a dummy on UFOs and

1023
00:33:14,210 --> 00:33:12,299
because he asked a stupid question what

1024
00:33:15,710 --> 00:33:14,220
are you gonna tell him to get lost come

1025
00:33:17,389 --> 00:33:15,720
on this is like kids I mean this is what

1026
00:33:19,549 --> 00:33:17,399
I suppose educating people you want to

1027
00:33:21,470 --> 00:33:19,559
educate these guys but the main thing

1028
00:33:23,330 --> 00:33:21,480
was and this is the difference between

1029
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:23,340
Canadians and Americans so Canadians

1030
00:33:25,970 --> 00:33:24,480
don't really have they wanted us to go

1031
00:33:26,990 --> 00:33:25,980
to the military Military Road exactly

1032
00:33:28,130 --> 00:33:27,000
what they're doing in the states and

1033
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:28,140
that scared the living [\h__\h] out of

1034
00:33:31,009 --> 00:33:29,760
everybody so they go and say you know

1035
00:33:32,450 --> 00:33:31,019
there's a threat there's a possible

1036
00:33:33,710 --> 00:33:32,460
threat there's Footprints in your the

1037
00:33:35,570 --> 00:33:33,720
door is locked and your Footprints

1038
00:33:36,769 --> 00:33:35,580
across your your your your living room

1039
00:33:37,850 --> 00:33:36,779
and stuff like you know we hear these

1040
00:33:39,289 --> 00:33:37,860
stories they keep telling the same story

1041
00:33:40,970 --> 00:33:39,299
all the time and you know that could be

1042
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:40,980
a threat could be a threat and the thing

1043
00:33:44,269 --> 00:33:43,200
is unless it's a threat you're not going

1044
00:33:45,710 --> 00:33:44,279
to get any money because all the

1045
00:33:48,169 --> 00:33:45,720
Committees in in Congress are going to

1046
00:33:49,610 --> 00:33:48,179
go well it's not our job to do UFOs we

1047
00:33:51,409 --> 00:33:49,620
don't care even the Air Force we we're

1048
00:33:53,570 --> 00:33:51,419
here to fly planes we're not here to you

1049
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:53,580
know Chase UFOs and figure out what UFO

1050
00:33:57,169 --> 00:33:54,960
is about and everybody will just turn it

1051
00:33:58,789 --> 00:33:57,179
down and so it's when it's a threat then

1052
00:34:00,289 --> 00:33:58,799
you say well you everybody could die I

1053
00:34:01,789 --> 00:34:00,299
mean these they could take over there

1054
00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:01,799
look at their go after nuclear weapons

1055
00:34:05,029 --> 00:34:03,360
and they they turned on nuclear weapons

1056
00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:05,039
and stuff and and then the Congress says

1057
00:34:07,850 --> 00:34:06,240
how much money do you want and then they

1058
00:34:09,470 --> 00:34:07,860
walk away and all this money goes into

1059
00:34:10,849 --> 00:34:09,480
the black world and they get all this

1060
00:34:13,550 --> 00:34:10,859
information for the white world coming

1061
00:34:15,230 --> 00:34:13,560
through and so the the key was that

1062
00:34:16,730 --> 00:34:15,240
Ella's that they wanted us to do it now

1063
00:34:17,990 --> 00:34:16,740
we said we can't do this you don't

1064
00:34:20,210 --> 00:34:18,000
understand how the Canadian government

1065
00:34:21,889 --> 00:34:20,220
works our committees not like the

1066
00:34:23,329 --> 00:34:21,899
Americans like the Americans have the

1067
00:34:26,270 --> 00:34:23,339
Appropriations Committee that actually

1068
00:34:28,129 --> 00:34:26,280
investigated UFOs when I can tell you

1069
00:34:29,450 --> 00:34:28,139
that story but we don't have the

1070
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:29,460
Appropriations Committee that can just

1071
00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:31,200
say okay we're gonna we're gonna demand

1072
00:34:35,869 --> 00:34:33,599
so much money and so the the plan that

1073
00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:35,879
they had for

1074
00:34:40,010 --> 00:34:38,639
um this whole thing in Canada was there

1075
00:34:42,349 --> 00:34:40,020
was a

1076
00:34:44,329 --> 00:34:42,359
um I guess I better not mention specific

1077
00:34:45,710 --> 00:34:44,339
because it may blow it but there was

1078
00:34:47,810 --> 00:34:45,720
somebody who was going to write a report

1079
00:34:50,030 --> 00:34:47,820
for the Prime Minister and this person

1080
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:50,040
is going to use this thing as cover they

1081
00:34:53,869 --> 00:34:51,599
had to have cover so we were going to

1082
00:34:55,310 --> 00:34:53,879
provide the cover for the government to

1083
00:34:56,990 --> 00:34:55,320
get the story out so it would be all

1084
00:34:58,609 --> 00:34:57,000
everybody talking oh you hear all these

1085
00:35:00,410 --> 00:34:58,619
MPS are involved in UFOs they want to

1086
00:35:02,210 --> 00:35:00,420
know why UFOs and stuff and then this

1087
00:35:03,770 --> 00:35:02,220
person would write a report and say it

1088
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:03,780
looks like we should investigate UFOs

1089
00:35:06,349 --> 00:35:05,040
and it would go to the Prime Minister

1090
00:35:07,730 --> 00:35:06,359
because we didn't have the Committees

1091
00:35:08,930 --> 00:35:07,740
the Committees can't spend money they

1092
00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:08,940
don't have any we kept telling them we

1093
00:35:11,810 --> 00:35:09,839
don't have any we don't have any

1094
00:35:13,370 --> 00:35:11,820
military people chasing Jets or Chasing

1095
00:35:14,390 --> 00:35:13,380
UFOs we don't have any at least we don't

1096
00:35:16,849 --> 00:35:14,400
have any reports that we can actually

1097
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:16,859
bring up and our committees can't spend

1098
00:35:20,450 --> 00:35:18,720
money so this is not going to work and

1099
00:35:22,190 --> 00:35:20,460
we want to do this thing through science

1100
00:35:23,870 --> 00:35:22,200
we wanted to write this science report

1101
00:35:26,210 --> 00:35:23,880
and we want to put it to the Prime

1102
00:35:28,849 --> 00:35:26,220
Minister and that's when luau is that's

1103
00:35:31,310 --> 00:35:28,859
when Chris melon said that's the poison

1104
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:31,320
pill I'm gone and it was like you're

1105
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:32,640
gonna do science you're gonna put this

1106
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:33,839
through the science committee or through

1107
00:35:36,710 --> 00:35:35,520
the slides nope nope it has to go

1108
00:35:38,569 --> 00:35:36,720
military house goes through the military

1109
00:35:40,609 --> 00:35:38,579
and this is this whole deal was it's

1110
00:35:42,349 --> 00:35:40,619
this military wants to run they want the

1111
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:42,359
Black Ops and we went money and stuff

1112
00:35:45,890 --> 00:35:44,400
like that and that was it that was the

1113
00:35:49,010 --> 00:35:45,900
that's why melon pulled out he said

1114
00:35:51,410 --> 00:35:49,020
that's the poison pill I'm gone and uh

1115
00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:51,420
the Canadians were very adamant we're

1116
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:52,560
going to go through science we're going

1117
00:35:55,970 --> 00:35:54,480
to have a scientific investigation we're

1118
00:35:57,890 --> 00:35:55,980
not going to play the threat game and

1119
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:57,900
stuff like that and even if we wanted to

1120
00:36:00,290 --> 00:35:59,040
play the threat game we don't have the

1121
00:36:01,490 --> 00:36:00,300
military Witnesses like they have in the

1122
00:36:02,750 --> 00:36:01,500
United States we don't have a Nimitz

1123
00:36:04,190 --> 00:36:02,760
case where we can go to the government

1124
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:04,200
and say look at this you know the

1125
00:36:08,569 --> 00:36:06,720
they're chasing our boats around and

1126
00:36:10,190 --> 00:36:08,579
planes and stuff like that so that was

1127
00:36:11,930 --> 00:36:10,200
the Canadian story and it fell apart and

1128
00:36:13,010 --> 00:36:11,940
it sounds like now the latest thing I've

1129
00:36:15,290 --> 00:36:13,020
heard

1130
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:15,300
is that there's about four they named

1131
00:36:18,050 --> 00:36:17,280
four of these people

1132
00:36:19,970 --> 00:36:18,060
um

1133
00:36:20,690 --> 00:36:19,980
there's one guy

1134
00:36:22,430 --> 00:36:20,700
um

1135
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:22,440
oh the names were escaping one guy at a

1136
00:36:26,450 --> 00:36:24,000
Hamilton an empty Kia out of Hamilton

1137
00:36:28,490 --> 00:36:26,460
there's another conservative out of

1138
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:28,500
Winnipeg there's conservative out of

1139
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:32,640
um uh White Rock BC I think and then

1140
00:36:36,290 --> 00:36:34,800
um so what I've heard is that I kept

1141
00:36:38,030 --> 00:36:36,300
saying to them at the beginning I said

1142
00:36:40,790 --> 00:36:38,040
well what you got to do in Canada is you

1143
00:36:42,410 --> 00:36:40,800
gotta bite the bullet and stand in the

1144
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:42,420
floor and In The Floor Of The House of

1145
00:36:45,950 --> 00:36:44,400
Commons and ask a question to to the

1146
00:36:47,930 --> 00:36:45,960
military and say have you investigated

1147
00:36:49,310 --> 00:36:47,940
this and nobody wants to ask the

1148
00:36:50,990 --> 00:36:49,320
question nobody wants to stand because

1149
00:36:52,790 --> 00:36:51,000
that's how it's done in Canada he's you

1150
00:36:53,810 --> 00:36:52,800
force these people to answer questions

1151
00:36:55,970 --> 00:36:53,820
in the house they have to answer

1152
00:36:59,329 --> 00:36:55,980
questions so they never did but now I

1153
00:37:02,990 --> 00:36:59,339
hear that there's about four MPS who are

1154
00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:03,000
getting ready to either engage during a

1155
00:37:06,890 --> 00:37:04,320
committee bring up the question during

1156
00:37:08,930 --> 00:37:06,900
committee the same as as uh

1157
00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:08,940
um uh Larry McGuire did on the one

1158
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:10,800
committee that he was involved with but

1159
00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:12,720
it was natural resources so it's way far

1160
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:14,880
away from the issue and or they're going

1161
00:37:18,170 --> 00:37:16,560
to ask in the house so if they ask in

1162
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:18,180
the house it could change everything if

1163
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:19,680
somebody stands up and asks a question

1164
00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:21,599
about uh the Americans are doing this

1165
00:37:25,069 --> 00:37:23,040
they've got this investigation going

1166
00:37:26,510 --> 00:37:25,079
what is the Canadians doing the Prime

1167
00:37:27,710 --> 00:37:26,520
Minister has to answer the question and

1168
00:37:29,150 --> 00:37:27,720
that that's what I said they had to do

1169
00:37:31,010 --> 00:37:29,160
right from the beginning is just bite

1170
00:37:32,450 --> 00:37:31,020
the bullet and take it as an issue that

1171
00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:32,460
you're going to promote this issue now

1172
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:34,079
maybe the conservative leadership that

1173
00:37:37,250 --> 00:37:36,000
takes over says nah I don't want to talk

1174
00:37:38,750 --> 00:37:37,260
about UFOs I don't want you pushing this

1175
00:37:40,849 --> 00:37:38,760
issue because you could get three or

1176
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:40,859
four MPS you just hammer away at this

1177
00:37:44,690 --> 00:37:42,720
issue every single day but you're going

1178
00:37:46,569 --> 00:37:44,700
to need the permission of the The Head

1179
00:37:49,069 --> 00:37:46,579
and the head of the conservative party

1180
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:49,079
changed on September the 10th that's

1181
00:37:52,670 --> 00:37:50,400
what they told us they said we had to

1182
00:37:55,010 --> 00:37:52,680
run this this panel before September the

1183
00:37:56,569 --> 00:37:55,020
10th because after after September the

1184
00:37:57,530 --> 00:37:56,579
10th everything's up in the air we don't

1185
00:37:59,569 --> 00:37:57,540
know what's going to happen we don't

1186
00:38:01,069 --> 00:37:59,579
know if the new leaders his positions

1187
00:38:02,690 --> 00:38:01,079
are going to be what he wants to do so

1188
00:38:04,790 --> 00:38:02,700
we've got to do it before September 10th

1189
00:38:08,750 --> 00:38:04,800
and because they're these these guys all

1190
00:38:10,250 --> 00:38:08,760
pulled out uh we we never ran the the uh

1191
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:10,260
the thing but it was all ready to go we

1192
00:38:14,690 --> 00:38:12,240
had uh people broadcast we were going to

1193
00:38:17,329 --> 00:38:14,700
live broadcast this uh through about uh

1194
00:38:18,530 --> 00:38:17,339
up to 100 channels 100 channels we could

1195
00:38:20,390 --> 00:38:18,540
do but we're gonna do as many channels

1196
00:38:22,370 --> 00:38:20,400
we anybody wanted to do it we would give

1197
00:38:24,109 --> 00:38:22,380
them access to live broadcast I think

1198
00:38:25,609 --> 00:38:24,119
and then do a pre-game show on their sh

1199
00:38:27,170 --> 00:38:25,619
on their Channel or post game show or

1200
00:38:28,190 --> 00:38:27,180
something like that and that's where he

1201
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:28,200
said you're turning this into a

1202
00:38:31,310 --> 00:38:29,520
spectacle and I said you damn right so

1203
00:38:33,050 --> 00:38:31,320
I'm turning it into a spectacle what do

1204
00:38:35,450 --> 00:38:33,060
you expect so that was the Canadian

1205
00:38:36,589 --> 00:38:35,460
disclosure story and and the other one I

1206
00:38:38,089 --> 00:38:36,599
can tell you that I don't know if you

1207
00:38:41,210 --> 00:38:38,099
know this story

1208
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:41,220
um Paul Hellyer I told the story I mean

1209
00:38:44,210 --> 00:38:42,720
America is the old deal people used to

1210
00:38:45,770 --> 00:38:44,220
ask me for years

1211
00:38:46,730 --> 00:38:45,780
what are the Canadians doing and I said

1212
00:38:47,690 --> 00:38:46,740
well I really don't know what the

1213
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:47,700
Canadians do and I don't know if they're

1214
00:38:50,569 --> 00:38:49,440
doing anything I mean I've never heard

1215
00:38:52,370 --> 00:38:50,579
anything about the Canadian government

1216
00:38:54,290 --> 00:38:52,380
it was like they they make the right

1217
00:38:56,690 --> 00:38:54,300
decision so if you don't want the story

1218
00:38:58,370 --> 00:38:56,700
out like the Amer like the America like

1219
00:39:00,410 --> 00:38:58,380
what happens in the United States don't

1220
00:39:02,690 --> 00:39:00,420
talk about it so you get all these top

1221
00:39:04,010 --> 00:39:02,700
governed people talking about it well if

1222
00:39:05,870 --> 00:39:04,020
you want to keep it secret just don't

1223
00:39:07,430 --> 00:39:05,880
hug that's the Canadians Canadians just

1224
00:39:09,170 --> 00:39:07,440
never talked about it and so it came

1225
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:09,180
down to this the issue just disappears

1226
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:10,800
and nobody talks about it and everybody

1227
00:39:14,089 --> 00:39:12,000
forgets about it and you don't know

1228
00:39:15,290 --> 00:39:14,099
what's going on and then you ask well

1229
00:39:17,270 --> 00:39:15,300
who's doing it I don't know because

1230
00:39:19,250 --> 00:39:17,280
nobody's talking about it and but there

1231
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:19,260
was one Paul Hellyer was asked that

1232
00:39:23,329 --> 00:39:22,079
question and he was like you know he's

1233
00:39:25,010 --> 00:39:23,339
sort of like the Vice President Kennedy

1234
00:39:27,230 --> 00:39:25,020
was the you know deputy prime minister

1235
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:27,240
at one point under Trudeau so he was

1236
00:39:31,069 --> 00:39:29,520
asked well what are the Canadians are

1237
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:31,079
doing and he and he could see he was

1238
00:39:35,349 --> 00:39:33,359
sort of guessing he was going well I

1239
00:39:38,210 --> 00:39:35,359
guess uh the head of the privy Council

1240
00:39:39,650 --> 00:39:38,220
and uh he's thinking and then the next

1241
00:39:41,210 --> 00:39:39,660
time we had we were at a panel and there

1242
00:39:42,890 --> 00:39:41,220
was these reporters all asking questions

1243
00:39:44,510 --> 00:39:42,900
so next time I was sitting right beside

1244
00:39:46,069 --> 00:39:44,520
Hillary the camera's around and coming

1245
00:39:47,569 --> 00:39:46,079
to second question and Paul before we

1246
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:47,579
answered the question he said you know I

1247
00:39:51,050 --> 00:39:48,960
actually know somebody in Canada that

1248
00:39:53,930 --> 00:39:51,060
did know what was going on and he said I

1249
00:39:55,250 --> 00:39:53,940
was approached by an Air Force guy who

1250
00:39:57,170 --> 00:39:55,260
phoned me up and he said they're the

1251
00:39:59,870 --> 00:39:57,180
head of Emergency Management in Canada

1252
00:40:02,329 --> 00:39:59,880
former head of Emergency Management is

1253
00:40:03,470 --> 00:40:02,339
dying of ALS Lou Gehrig's Disease and

1254
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:03,480
he's got something he wants to get off

1255
00:40:06,890 --> 00:40:05,280
his chest and he's he's decided you're

1256
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:06,900
the guy he wants to talk to so Paul

1257
00:40:09,530 --> 00:40:08,400
Heller said okay I'll phone him up and

1258
00:40:11,089 --> 00:40:09,540
I'll find out what he wants to do and

1259
00:40:12,530 --> 00:40:11,099
you know and Paul doesn't fall into the

1260
00:40:14,270 --> 00:40:12,540
air force guy phones him up and he says

1261
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:14,280
you better phone him he's about to go

1262
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:16,079
off the cliff be better phone him so

1263
00:40:19,970 --> 00:40:18,480
Paul phones this guy and the guy says I

1264
00:40:21,410 --> 00:40:19,980
just want you to let you know before I

1265
00:40:23,690 --> 00:40:21,420
die I just want to let you know this is

1266
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:23,700
for real this is for real I know and

1267
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:24,960
that would make sense that the head of

1268
00:40:28,310 --> 00:40:26,160
the Emergency Management would know

1269
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:28,320
because if suddenly there's a crash of a

1270
00:40:31,250 --> 00:40:30,000
UFO in the middle of Washington or

1271
00:40:32,810 --> 00:40:31,260
Ottawa or something like that and they

1272
00:40:34,250 --> 00:40:32,820
can't control the story and starts to

1273
00:40:35,210 --> 00:40:34,260
break and it goes viral they don't know

1274
00:40:36,410 --> 00:40:35,220
what's going to happen so you're going

1275
00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:36,420
to have to have all these plants put

1276
00:40:40,490 --> 00:40:38,160
money in the bank to stop the bank from

1277
00:40:41,810 --> 00:40:40,500
crashing the stock market all these

1278
00:40:43,010 --> 00:40:41,820
contingencies what do we do here what do

1279
00:40:44,510 --> 00:40:43,020
we do here is this going to be effective

1280
00:40:46,430 --> 00:40:44,520
and they would have a plan just a

1281
00:40:47,870 --> 00:40:46,440
hypothetical plan even though if they

1282
00:40:49,730 --> 00:40:47,880
don't believe in UFOs in case this

1283
00:40:52,130 --> 00:40:49,740
happens and so I have emergency

1284
00:40:53,450 --> 00:40:52,140
management running that plan so he said

1285
00:40:57,170 --> 00:40:53,460
the guy told him he said is this for

1286
00:41:00,170 --> 00:40:57,180
real he said I I was taken to Langley at

1287
00:41:02,930 --> 00:41:00,180
CIA and I signed my life away with all

1288
00:41:03,890 --> 00:41:02,940
these uh agreements and non-disclosure

1289
00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:03,900
agreements and all this kind of stuff

1290
00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:05,760
and then they took me to Area 51 I

1291
00:41:09,230 --> 00:41:07,200
actually sat inside one of the crafts

1292
00:41:10,250 --> 00:41:09,240
and he told this to Paul Heller and he

1293
00:41:12,770 --> 00:41:10,260
said I just want to let you know before

1294
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:12,780
I die this is for real I actually was

1295
00:41:16,490 --> 00:41:14,880
involved in this and beyond that I

1296
00:41:18,290 --> 00:41:16,500
really don't know too much about it and

1297
00:41:20,990 --> 00:41:18,300
uh so that was a story that Paul told me

1298
00:41:23,270 --> 00:41:21,000
and I'm going whoa It's like oh this

1299
00:41:25,370 --> 00:41:23,280
story forgot to tell and it was like it

1300
00:41:27,470 --> 00:41:25,380
really uh sort of gave the the

1301
00:41:29,089 --> 00:41:27,480
impression that you know there is some

1302
00:41:30,589 --> 00:41:29,099
sort of plan but it's really not on

1303
00:41:31,490 --> 00:41:30,599
anybody's radar because you look in the

1304
00:41:33,710 --> 00:41:31,500
United States what's the number one

1305
00:41:36,290 --> 00:41:33,720
issue or even I would say if you take a

1306
00:41:38,270 --> 00:41:36,300
poll I'll guarantee a UFOs is not in the

1307
00:41:39,710 --> 00:41:38,280
top 100 of any country if you say what

1308
00:41:41,870 --> 00:41:39,720
are the most important issues it's

1309
00:41:43,550 --> 00:41:41,880
always the economy the Democracy you

1310
00:41:45,170 --> 00:41:43,560
know women's rights you know and it goes

1311
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:45,180
on and it's money issues bread and

1312
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:48,480
butter issues UFOs as Eric Walker says

1313
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:49,920
tell me you just want to know because

1314
00:41:52,910 --> 00:41:51,359
you're curious right that's that's all

1315
00:41:54,650 --> 00:41:52,920
you want is you want to know and he said

1316
00:41:56,450 --> 00:41:54,660
forget it you're never going to get the

1317
00:41:57,650 --> 00:41:56,460
answer give up go study something else

1318
00:41:58,849 --> 00:41:57,660
that's what he said you're never going

1319
00:42:01,010 --> 00:41:58,859
to get the answer go study something

1320
00:42:02,510 --> 00:42:01,020
else and it was uh okay so I'm going to

1321
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:02,520
write this article that sort of looks at

1322
00:42:06,770 --> 00:42:05,280
this the government's issue why Walker

1323
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:06,780
was very confident in order to say that

1324
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:08,880
because he had kit green go to him and I

1325
00:42:11,390 --> 00:42:09,839
don't know if you know that story kit

1326
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:11,400
green goes to Eric Walker at Penn State

1327
00:42:16,130 --> 00:42:12,960
he was former president of Penn State

1328
00:42:17,569 --> 00:42:16,140
for 15 years so kid green hears all

1329
00:42:19,130 --> 00:42:17,579
these stories that I'm telling us in my

1330
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:19,140
book so kit green reads the book and he

1331
00:42:22,130 --> 00:42:20,880
decides oh I gotta go this walker guy's

1332
00:42:23,690 --> 00:42:22,140
in exactly the right position I'm gonna

1333
00:42:25,790 --> 00:42:23,700
go talk to this guy so he gets a

1334
00:42:28,250 --> 00:42:25,800
clearance to go talk to Walker who's at

1335
00:42:30,170 --> 00:42:28,260
that time was the uh president Emeritus

1336
00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:30,180
at Penn State and he had an office there

1337
00:42:35,210 --> 00:42:32,880
so he goes there and they talk about uh

1338
00:42:37,550 --> 00:42:35,220
the glomar Explorer they were both

1339
00:42:39,170 --> 00:42:37,560
involved in goldmar Explorer where they

1340
00:42:41,210 --> 00:42:39,180
recovered the Russian submarine and

1341
00:42:42,890 --> 00:42:41,220
stuff with the Hughes Hughes boat and

1342
00:42:44,569 --> 00:42:42,900
all this stuff stuff and if for a half

1343
00:42:47,870 --> 00:42:44,579
hour they talk and it's all friendly and

1344
00:42:50,569 --> 00:42:47,880
also and then suddenly uh kid green

1345
00:42:52,790 --> 00:42:50,579
brings up the the the subject of UFOs

1346
00:42:54,589 --> 00:42:52,800
and everything just goes left and it's

1347
00:42:56,329 --> 00:42:54,599
like Walker starts yelling and he's

1348
00:42:57,770 --> 00:42:56,339
talking to a bunch of books in the

1349
00:42:59,569 --> 00:42:57,780
corner to sort of indicate the room is

1350
00:43:01,550 --> 00:42:59,579
bugged and stuff and he says to me you

1351
00:43:03,770 --> 00:43:01,560
give me two reasons this is a kid

1352
00:43:05,450 --> 00:43:03,780
Green's version or uh written up by

1353
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:05,460
Jacque Valley you give me two reasons

1354
00:43:10,010 --> 00:43:07,920
why we should tell people why we people

1355
00:43:11,809 --> 00:43:10,020
should know about this and and then kid

1356
00:43:13,550 --> 00:43:11,819
green says well there the the

1357
00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:13,560
information is coming out all backwards

1358
00:43:17,150 --> 00:43:15,359
and I'm not really sure we should

1359
00:43:18,050 --> 00:43:17,160
release it and he said apparently I

1360
00:43:21,050 --> 00:43:18,060
didn't give him the right answers

1361
00:43:22,370 --> 00:43:21,060
because he threw me out of the office he

1362
00:43:24,290 --> 00:43:22,380
said you bring me a letter from the

1363
00:43:25,910 --> 00:43:24,300
president of the United States and I'll

1364
00:43:26,990 --> 00:43:25,920
check it I'll phone him up to make sure

1365
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:27,000
it's coming from the president United

1366
00:43:30,530 --> 00:43:28,560
States and that's this thing of order

1367
00:43:32,030 --> 00:43:30,540
like unless you're the president the

1368
00:43:33,710 --> 00:43:32,040
president needs to know he don't need to

1369
00:43:35,690 --> 00:43:33,720
know and basically this kit green and

1370
00:43:36,890 --> 00:43:35,700
Kate green had this security clearance

1371
00:43:38,089 --> 00:43:36,900
to actually talk to him about this and

1372
00:43:40,130 --> 00:43:38,099
he basically like throwing it out of the

1373
00:43:41,650 --> 00:43:40,140
office so you can see that that there

1374
00:43:44,089 --> 00:43:41,660
are people who know and they're very

1375
00:43:45,290 --> 00:43:44,099
Walker had a file on us we used to he

1376
00:43:46,490 --> 00:43:45,300
used to play games with us you know he

1377
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:46,500
just we'd say and they're all on the

1378
00:43:49,490 --> 00:43:47,760
book you know we'd send a letter to him

1379
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:49,500
and he'd write notes on the letter and

1380
00:43:52,430 --> 00:43:51,359
send it back and and he you know he sort

1381
00:43:53,930 --> 00:43:52,440
of told us that how do you know

1382
00:43:55,609 --> 00:43:53,940
everybody at Roz will die how do you

1383
00:43:56,890 --> 00:43:55,619
know all the all the buddies maybe they

1384
00:43:58,849 --> 00:43:56,900
all got up and walked away and they went

1385
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:58,859
what does he tell us and that's what

1386
00:44:02,690 --> 00:44:00,240
Kate green is trying to figure out is he

1387
00:44:04,670 --> 00:44:02,700
telling the truth or what's going on and

1388
00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:04,680
so he had a file on us and we knew he

1389
00:44:08,329 --> 00:44:06,720
had this file because he would photocopy

1390
00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:08,339
somebody's letter and send it to

1391
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:09,839
somebody else so we knew he would get

1392
00:44:13,130 --> 00:44:10,800
all this stuff and he's playing games

1393
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:13,140
you like to play games so anyway at the

1394
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:14,640
end when when

1395
00:44:18,410 --> 00:44:16,800
um he died we went to actually to his

1396
00:44:20,270 --> 00:44:18,420
secretary who had signed one of the

1397
00:44:21,770 --> 00:44:20,280
letters and we asked her if this file

1398
00:44:23,930 --> 00:44:21,780
was there and she said well I remember

1399
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:23,940
typing the letter but I I you know I I

1400
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:25,200
don't think it was a file here I think

1401
00:44:29,450 --> 00:44:26,880
he had it personal and we talked to his

1402
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:29,460
son who was then a medical doctor and he

1403
00:44:32,510 --> 00:44:31,200
maybe he's going to be pretty old now

1404
00:44:34,430 --> 00:44:32,520
but we talked to him and he said yeah

1405
00:44:37,130 --> 00:44:34,440
there was a UFO file and he said it was

1406
00:44:39,470 --> 00:44:37,140
at the house and he said there was two

1407
00:44:40,910 --> 00:44:39,480
crashes that were in the file one was in

1408
00:44:42,530 --> 00:44:40,920
the west and one was in Pennsylvania

1409
00:44:44,510 --> 00:44:42,540
which would be because we asked him at

1410
00:44:46,370 --> 00:44:44,520
the Kecksburg crash we said because he

1411
00:44:48,290 --> 00:44:46,380
indicated with somebody asked him we're

1412
00:44:50,089 --> 00:44:48,300
at texberg because he talked about I was

1413
00:44:51,950 --> 00:44:50,099
only involved one time and it was only

1414
00:44:53,329 --> 00:44:51,960
for a couple days I'm going I wonder if

1415
00:44:54,650 --> 00:44:53,339
they called him in for the taxberg crash

1416
00:44:56,329 --> 00:44:54,660
because he's only 100 miles away and he

1417
00:44:58,130 --> 00:44:56,339
had a pilot's license and he had an

1418
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:58,140
airport at the at the he could take off

1419
00:45:02,210 --> 00:45:00,720
right from the walk out of the uh the

1420
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:02,220
building and walk into his plane and fly

1421
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:04,560
to Kecksburg and check on this thing and

1422
00:45:07,730 --> 00:45:06,240
then fly back because someone said they

1423
00:45:09,230 --> 00:45:07,740
had seen these two guys walking around

1424
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:09,240
in trench coats like look like they're

1425
00:45:13,069 --> 00:45:11,040
government people and then we asked him

1426
00:45:15,530 --> 00:45:13,079
were you at texberg and he said yeah I

1427
00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:15,540
was there so what and then they started

1428
00:45:18,109 --> 00:45:16,800
you know and I'm not gonna talk about it

1429
00:45:21,290 --> 00:45:18,119
was and you know you go through that

1430
00:45:22,970 --> 00:45:21,300
sort of thing and um so the this is the

1431
00:45:24,950 --> 00:45:22,980
thing the sun said this this was there

1432
00:45:27,050 --> 00:45:24,960
and then he said when he went to move

1433
00:45:28,370 --> 00:45:27,060
those files from the house to the

1434
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:28,380
archives at Penn State University which

1435
00:45:32,089 --> 00:45:30,240
I looked through massive massive

1436
00:45:33,950 --> 00:45:32,099
collection of files I can't believe some

1437
00:45:35,569 --> 00:45:33,960
guy could produce so much paper but he

1438
00:45:37,370 --> 00:45:35,579
he said he moved the files he said the

1439
00:45:39,530 --> 00:45:37,380
UFO file was gone when he moved it so

1440
00:45:41,809 --> 00:45:39,540
you get this sort of stuff and so when

1441
00:45:44,030 --> 00:45:41,819
before he died he was patriotic guy

1442
00:45:45,410 --> 00:45:44,040
saluted handed the files back all the

1443
00:45:47,390 --> 00:45:45,420
classified files because he knew he was

1444
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:47,400
dying he knew uh you know that he had

1445
00:45:52,910 --> 00:45:49,440
congestive heart failure I had so long

1446
00:45:54,050 --> 00:45:52,920
to live and so he was patriotic guy and

1447
00:45:56,270 --> 00:45:54,060
played the game right to the end you

1448
00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:56,280
would think we always obviously think oh

1449
00:45:59,329 --> 00:45:57,839
why would you not be want to be part of

1450
00:46:00,829 --> 00:45:59,339
History this is the biggest story that

1451
00:46:02,030 --> 00:46:00,839
ever happened in history and nobody's

1452
00:46:03,650 --> 00:46:02,040
even going to know you were involved why

1453
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:03,660
would you not want to have your name on

1454
00:46:07,069 --> 00:46:05,760
this story and he didn't he was very

1455
00:46:08,990 --> 00:46:07,079
patriotic guy he was actually from

1456
00:46:10,730 --> 00:46:09,000
Britain he actually lived in Canada for

1457
00:46:12,410 --> 00:46:10,740
a period of time and then went down and

1458
00:46:13,970 --> 00:46:12,420
he was like this rags to reach this guy

1459
00:46:15,890 --> 00:46:13,980
who won all these awards for going Rags

1460
00:46:17,870 --> 00:46:15,900
to Riches for having nothing being on

1461
00:46:20,210 --> 00:46:17,880
his own and stuff like that and ending

1462
00:46:22,190 --> 00:46:20,220
up at Harvard University and owning all

1463
00:46:24,349 --> 00:46:22,200
these businesses and again he was a guy

1464
00:46:25,849 --> 00:46:24,359
who had a lot of patents and a lot of

1465
00:46:27,829 --> 00:46:25,859
business interests and and that's where

1466
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:27,839
I say the cover-up is it's the big guys

1467
00:46:30,829 --> 00:46:29,280
that are making the money off this thing

1468
00:46:34,430 --> 00:46:30,839
because it's going to be a big business

1469
00:46:36,829 --> 00:46:34,440
I mean if you know Tyler uh Tim Taylor I

1470
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:36,839
guess if you know that story he told me

1471
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:38,640
the story of the first discovery it's in

1472
00:46:42,410 --> 00:46:40,560
American Cosmic you're familiar with the

1473
00:46:44,510 --> 00:46:42,420
book and he talks about the discovery

1474
00:46:46,849 --> 00:46:44,520
where he gets called it to the to the

1475
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:46,859
Pentagon and the general says who came

1476
00:46:52,190 --> 00:46:49,440
up with this idea every points at him

1477
00:46:53,390 --> 00:46:52,200
him and and then he got it on the space

1478
00:46:54,589 --> 00:46:53,400
shuttle he told me they would he would

1479
00:46:56,569 --> 00:46:54,599
they wouldn't put this idea on the space

1480
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:56,579
shuttle and then events eventually he

1481
00:47:01,490 --> 00:46:58,319
got a scientist to sign off and they put

1482
00:47:04,150 --> 00:47:01,500
it on the space shuttle and um I I was

1483
00:47:06,829 --> 00:47:04,160
told well I was told that the company

1484
00:47:08,750 --> 00:47:06,839
that that invention was part of sold on

1485
00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:08,760
NASDAQ for 100 million dollars so you

1486
00:47:12,109 --> 00:47:10,079
got to realize there's some money and

1487
00:47:13,970 --> 00:47:12,119
Pat and he's got 40 pounds and his are

1488
00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:13,980
all medical patents they're all he works

1489
00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:15,599
with cancer kids and stuff like that he

1490
00:47:18,829 --> 00:47:17,280
goes to hospitals and stuff like that

1491
00:47:21,770 --> 00:47:18,839
and it's all sort of operating stuff and

1492
00:47:24,770 --> 00:47:21,780
and and getting tissue to not reject

1493
00:47:26,690 --> 00:47:24,780
metal uh implants that was sort of one

1494
00:47:28,550 --> 00:47:26,700
of the the big invention he got was how

1495
00:47:29,930 --> 00:47:28,560
to meld metal and tissue together and

1496
00:47:31,309 --> 00:47:29,940
stuff like that so there's a lot of

1497
00:47:33,050 --> 00:47:31,319
there's a lot of money involved if you

1498
00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:33,060
see some of the inventions that you that

1499
00:47:36,829 --> 00:47:35,040
you can get from this even small stuff

1500
00:47:38,930 --> 00:47:36,839
like the the medals which I say is a

1501
00:47:41,870 --> 00:47:38,940
ports I mean they didn't come across the

1502
00:47:43,910 --> 00:47:41,880
Galaxy you know avoiding black holes and

1503
00:47:45,230 --> 00:47:43,920
and stars and stuff to get here to have

1504
00:47:46,670 --> 00:47:45,240
little pieces fall off the craft they're

1505
00:47:47,930 --> 00:47:46,680
dropping this stuff on purpose and

1506
00:47:49,550 --> 00:47:47,940
that's where I call the theory of wow

1507
00:47:51,230 --> 00:47:49,560
they they're sort of leading us along

1508
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:51,240
with breadcrumbs so the government is

1509
00:47:55,010 --> 00:47:53,280
disclosing but so is the uh so is the

1510
00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:55,020
whatever the intelligence is they're

1511
00:47:58,130 --> 00:47:56,400
disclosing as well why do they have

1512
00:47:59,990 --> 00:47:58,140
lights on they want you to see them they

1513
00:48:02,390 --> 00:48:00,000
can turn the lights off they're doing

1514
00:48:04,309 --> 00:48:02,400
all this stuff on purpose to try to move

1515
00:48:06,710 --> 00:48:04,319
people slowly down the road that they

1516
00:48:10,010 --> 00:48:06,720
want them to go it's uh two disclosures

1517
00:48:12,349 --> 00:48:10,020
ours and theirs right yeah exactly yeah

1518
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:12,359
yeah and I find as of late it's more

1519
00:48:15,650 --> 00:48:13,920
like a seeping it's coming out of the

1520
00:48:17,450 --> 00:48:15,660
ground here and there you know different

1521
00:48:20,089 --> 00:48:17,460
parts and that they're trying to get the

1522
00:48:21,710 --> 00:48:20,099
public to be more accepting of that one

1523
00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:21,720
of the biggest problems that we have on

1524
00:48:26,750 --> 00:48:24,720
this side of the border is our news is

1525
00:48:29,329 --> 00:48:26,760
not taking this as seriously as they

1526
00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:29,339
should now there is some coverage but I

1527
00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:31,440
always find that it's more on of you

1528
00:48:36,170 --> 00:48:33,599
know we made fun of this before uh it's

1529
00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:36,180
more of a lighter impression of on a

1530
00:48:42,470 --> 00:48:38,640
lighter head on a lighter note let's

1531
00:48:44,089 --> 00:48:42,480
look at UFOs yeah like what the [\h__\h] is

1532
00:48:47,450 --> 00:48:44,099
the lighter note I don't know this is

1533
00:48:49,730 --> 00:48:47,460
the biggest story in human history uh

1534
00:48:51,290 --> 00:48:49,740
yeah sorry for swear in there but it's

1535
00:48:53,809 --> 00:48:51,300
usually not the reporters It's usually

1536
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:53,819
the editors I remember I knew Billy Cox

1537
00:48:59,150 --> 00:48:56,880
really well from he he runs the red the

1538
00:49:01,010 --> 00:48:59,160
block the the blog he's running it for

1539
00:49:02,750 --> 00:49:01,020
30 years I he did an article on Reagan

1540
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:02,760
and the Reagan days and used my material

1541
00:49:07,490 --> 00:49:05,280
and he said my edit my editor simply

1542
00:49:08,630 --> 00:49:07,500
tolerated it I could do it as long as it

1543
00:49:10,309 --> 00:49:08,640
was on my own time I could write

1544
00:49:11,569 --> 00:49:10,319
articles and stuff and he would just

1545
00:49:13,370 --> 00:49:11,579
tolerate it and that's what I found it

1546
00:49:15,050 --> 00:49:13,380
was usually not the reporter it was

1547
00:49:16,849 --> 00:49:15,060
usually the editor is very conservative

1548
00:49:18,770 --> 00:49:16,859
and says hey I'm not into this stuff or

1549
00:49:20,750 --> 00:49:18,780
whatever because I remember the one uh

1550
00:49:22,550 --> 00:49:20,760
if you know how I got started in Carmen

1551
00:49:23,630 --> 00:49:22,560
Manitoba that's how this whole thing

1552
00:49:24,829 --> 00:49:23,640
that's how I would never have been

1553
00:49:26,569 --> 00:49:24,839
involved with administer the media

1554
00:49:28,250 --> 00:49:26,579
because what happened was

1555
00:49:30,290 --> 00:49:28,260
um the the thing was being seen every

1556
00:49:31,490 --> 00:49:30,300
night it started in February of 1975

1557
00:49:33,710 --> 00:49:31,500
that's when they put the first

1558
00:49:35,210 --> 00:49:33,720
anti-ballistic missile unit on the other

1559
00:49:37,130 --> 00:49:35,220
side of the Border in cools root North

1560
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:37,140
Dakota adding another 100 nuclear

1561
00:49:41,390 --> 00:49:38,880
missiles on the other side of the border

1562
00:49:43,550 --> 00:49:41,400
from Manitoba and 20 miles or 25 miles

1563
00:49:45,050 --> 00:49:43,560
north suddenly these UFOs start flying

1564
00:49:46,970 --> 00:49:45,060
around and I could never figure out why

1565
00:49:48,530 --> 00:49:46,980
they were there and so February it

1566
00:49:50,329 --> 00:49:48,540
started and I said to my friends we to

1567
00:49:52,910 --> 00:49:50,339
drive around the city and do nothing so

1568
00:49:54,109 --> 00:49:52,920
I said hey let's uh why don't we go to

1569
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:54,119
Carmen instead of driving around the

1570
00:49:57,290 --> 00:49:55,440
city and see what they're looking at and

1571
00:49:59,329 --> 00:49:57,300
I never I had no interest in UFOs but I

1572
00:50:00,650 --> 00:49:59,339
I was kind of weird you know I was sort

1573
00:50:02,569 --> 00:50:00,660
of interested in paranormal stuff I said

1574
00:50:04,370 --> 00:50:02,579
let's go maybe we'll see and I knew I

1575
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:04,380
always make the joke it was like you buy

1576
00:50:06,589 --> 00:50:05,760
the lottery ticket you know there's a

1577
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:06,599
chance you're going to win but you're

1578
00:50:09,530 --> 00:50:08,400
not going to win I know everybody's

1579
00:50:10,550 --> 00:50:09,540
seeing it every night but when you go

1580
00:50:12,230 --> 00:50:10,560
out there there's gonna be nobody we're

1581
00:50:14,750 --> 00:50:12,240
not going to see anything so we didn't

1582
00:50:16,010 --> 00:50:14,760
go and we didn't go till May of 1975 so

1583
00:50:17,210 --> 00:50:16,020
from February to may we didn't go we

1584
00:50:18,589 --> 00:50:17,220
completely fraudible I didn't think

1585
00:50:19,849 --> 00:50:18,599
about it and it was in the newspaper

1586
00:50:22,550 --> 00:50:19,859
quite a bit and then it was suddenly it

1587
00:50:26,210 --> 00:50:22,560
was the CKY TV

1588
00:50:27,650 --> 00:50:26,220
um got the um the story The the CBC and

1589
00:50:30,170 --> 00:50:27,660
there was CTV and they were both trying

1590
00:50:32,210 --> 00:50:30,180
to get a film of this thing but they go

1591
00:50:33,890 --> 00:50:32,220
out there but CTV was big into filming

1592
00:50:36,050 --> 00:50:33,900
people so turn all the lights on and

1593
00:50:37,550 --> 00:50:36,060
they would try to you know why you here

1594
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:37,560
what are you expecting to see and then

1595
00:50:40,670 --> 00:50:39,119
the guy said turn off the damn lights

1596
00:50:42,530 --> 00:50:40,680
we're losing our night vision like what

1597
00:50:44,450 --> 00:50:42,540
are you doing we're trying to say we're

1598
00:50:46,370 --> 00:50:44,460
trying to see stuff you know and and but

1599
00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:46,380
CKY came out and they had a crew that

1600
00:50:50,450 --> 00:50:48,000
was there and they almost got it it was

1601
00:50:51,829 --> 00:50:50,460
on the ground and they saw it but they

1602
00:50:53,809 --> 00:50:51,839
didn't get any film and so they go

1603
00:50:55,069 --> 00:50:53,819
running back to CKY and then they say

1604
00:50:57,950 --> 00:50:55,079
man we almost got it we're going back

1605
00:50:59,450 --> 00:50:57,960
out tomorrow night and the uh so there

1606
00:51:01,190 --> 00:50:59,460
was two reporters one became a big

1607
00:51:04,430 --> 00:51:01,200
reporter His Name Escapes Me became a

1608
00:51:06,650 --> 00:51:04,440
big reporter for CBC and so they all got

1609
00:51:09,049 --> 00:51:06,660
a volunteer film crew they didn't even

1610
00:51:10,549 --> 00:51:09,059
have a cameraman they used a film editor

1611
00:51:12,589 --> 00:51:10,559
never shot a camera before in his life

1612
00:51:15,049 --> 00:51:12,599
he was the film film guy he hit him to

1613
00:51:19,370 --> 00:51:15,059
take a couple of reporters and and and

1614
00:51:22,670 --> 00:51:21,290
all right we are back sorry about that

1615
00:51:24,410 --> 00:51:22,680
we had some technical difficulties with

1616
00:51:25,609 --> 00:51:24,420
Mr Grant he had to change computers and

1617
00:51:27,650 --> 00:51:25,619
everything so maybe the government

1618
00:51:29,390 --> 00:51:27,660
really is out to get you grant be

1619
00:51:31,250 --> 00:51:29,400
careful buddy

1620
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:31,260
so I was telling just quickly because we

1621
00:51:34,250 --> 00:51:32,400
only got a few minutes left I quickly

1622
00:51:36,470 --> 00:51:34,260
tell you so how I got involved

1623
00:51:38,329 --> 00:51:36,480
So This Crew goes up volunteer crew goes

1624
00:51:41,150 --> 00:51:38,339
out to try to catch Charlie Red Star on

1625
00:51:42,410 --> 00:51:41,160
the ground and um they it's on the

1626
00:51:43,849 --> 00:51:42,420
ground they see it on the ground and

1627
00:51:45,470 --> 00:51:43,859
they surround it so they put a car going

1628
00:51:47,690 --> 00:51:45,480
north around it it's one going south

1629
00:51:49,430 --> 00:51:47,700
around it to try to come in across so

1630
00:51:51,829 --> 00:51:49,440
they can run into it and they do they're

1631
00:51:53,690 --> 00:51:51,839
50 feet away it's it's like a drive-in

1632
00:51:54,829 --> 00:51:53,700
movie screen sitting on the but it's not

1633
00:51:56,930 --> 00:51:54,839
sitting on the ground it's a couple feet

1634
00:51:58,370 --> 00:51:56,940
off the ground and

1635
00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:58,380
um then they look around to get their

1636
00:52:02,150 --> 00:51:59,760
perspective and they look back in the

1637
00:52:04,670 --> 00:52:02,160
the UFO is gone it was it was standing

1638
00:52:08,990 --> 00:52:04,680
there right away it was a huge craft and

1639
00:52:10,790 --> 00:52:09,000
meanwhile the guy is a TV uh editor of

1640
00:52:11,809 --> 00:52:10,800
film is on the other end eight and a

1641
00:52:13,130 --> 00:52:11,819
quarter miles away and he's sitting

1642
00:52:14,569 --> 00:52:13,140
there looking through the viewfinder and

1643
00:52:16,309 --> 00:52:14,579
he sees this thing come up and he sees

1644
00:52:17,329 --> 00:52:16,319
it go down he sees it comes up and he

1645
00:52:18,770 --> 00:52:17,339
said they got to get something on film

1646
00:52:21,410 --> 00:52:18,780
they didn't get it last night so the

1647
00:52:22,790 --> 00:52:21,420
next time this thing goes up I'm gonna

1648
00:52:25,430 --> 00:52:22,800
shoot the camera and it's almost like

1649
00:52:27,049 --> 00:52:25,440
the UFO said you ready get ready and he

1650
00:52:28,609 --> 00:52:27,059
pushes the trigger and boom nothing

1651
00:52:32,569 --> 00:52:28,619
jumps in the air almost like the Nimitz

1652
00:52:35,690 --> 00:52:32,579
why did the UF why did the the tick tack

1653
00:52:38,030 --> 00:52:35,700
in the USS Nimitz drop from 89 000 feet

1654
00:52:39,950 --> 00:52:38,040
or 80 000 feet down to sea level and

1655
00:52:41,450 --> 00:52:39,960
seven eighths of a second they did to

1656
00:52:43,309 --> 00:52:41,460
show off they want to go hey what's this

1657
00:52:45,230 --> 00:52:43,319
and every total story every tell story

1658
00:52:47,809 --> 00:52:45,240
of it and this is exactly the same thing

1659
00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:47,819
it went from ground level to 5000 feet

1660
00:52:52,130 --> 00:52:50,400
in the air in three frames of film so

1661
00:52:53,990 --> 00:52:52,140
one eighth of a frame a second you went

1662
00:52:55,609 --> 00:52:54,000
right to ground to five thousand feet in

1663
00:52:57,170 --> 00:52:55,619
the air and the guy the thing jumped up

1664
00:52:58,430 --> 00:52:57,180
in the air and then it flew off and he

1665
00:52:59,930 --> 00:52:58,440
and every time he had the camera

1666
00:53:01,549 --> 00:52:59,940
stationary picked it up every time the

1667
00:53:03,710 --> 00:53:01,559
cameras moved he didn't so he had this

1668
00:53:05,270 --> 00:53:03,720
movement it was flying on this wave as

1669
00:53:06,829 --> 00:53:05,280
they went to 12 o'clock he stopped the

1670
00:53:08,630 --> 00:53:06,839
camera so anyway when I interviewed

1671
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:08,640
these guys I went to the guy and doing

1672
00:53:15,349 --> 00:53:12,240
the film we shot the film and uh I

1673
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:15,359
suddenly realized it was not when I got

1674
00:53:20,030 --> 00:53:17,040
it but a couple years later I thought to

1675
00:53:21,589 --> 00:53:20,040
myself hey there wasn't an accident when

1676
00:53:23,450 --> 00:53:21,599
he shot the film it just as this thing

1677
00:53:25,010 --> 00:53:23,460
jumped in the air they knew I had to go

1678
00:53:26,510 --> 00:53:25,020
out I would never have gone out of

1679
00:53:29,630 --> 00:53:26,520
Heaven as I felt it was viral and

1680
00:53:30,770 --> 00:53:29,640
Winnipeg TV I had had a eight-minute

1681
00:53:32,329 --> 00:53:30,780
documentary and they were breaking it

1682
00:53:34,430 --> 00:53:32,339
down frame by frame and stuff like that

1683
00:53:36,230 --> 00:53:34,440
and now they don't have it when I did

1684
00:53:37,490 --> 00:53:36,240
the book I went back and they said no we

1685
00:53:38,930 --> 00:53:37,500
don't know where that film went I know

1686
00:53:40,970 --> 00:53:38,940
where it went the guy that they never

1687
00:53:42,890 --> 00:53:40,980
paid the crew because as volunteer crew

1688
00:53:44,630 --> 00:53:42,900
and they got this famous NBC had the

1689
00:53:46,010 --> 00:53:44,640
film and it was a big film and the guy

1690
00:53:47,930 --> 00:53:46,020
said they never paid for the damn thing

1691
00:53:49,849 --> 00:53:47,940
I took it when I left so he stole this

1692
00:53:51,770 --> 00:53:49,859
film from CKY but anyway I thought to

1693
00:53:53,390 --> 00:53:51,780
myself this was the thing they wanted me

1694
00:53:54,770 --> 00:53:53,400
out as part of the plan that I would

1695
00:53:56,150 --> 00:53:54,780
never would have gone up and that's what

1696
00:53:57,770 --> 00:53:56,160
I said to my friends they said hey man

1697
00:53:59,210 --> 00:53:57,780
do you see a film on TV come on let's go

1698
00:54:00,650 --> 00:53:59,220
let's go and see what it is and I went

1699
00:54:03,170 --> 00:54:00,660
out there and we were driving around for

1700
00:54:04,250 --> 00:54:03,180
an hour and then my my friend says we're

1701
00:54:05,809 --> 00:54:04,260
looking around and couldn't figure out

1702
00:54:06,890 --> 00:54:05,819
whatever he's looking at and and my

1703
00:54:08,329 --> 00:54:06,900
friend says okay we'll go back into

1704
00:54:10,069 --> 00:54:08,339
carbon one more time if we don't see

1705
00:54:11,630 --> 00:54:10,079
anything let's go home I said fantastic

1706
00:54:13,069 --> 00:54:11,640
it's been a total waste of time we

1707
00:54:15,470 --> 00:54:13,079
turned the car around to go back in and

1708
00:54:17,569 --> 00:54:15,480
boom right in front of the car clearest

1709
00:54:19,130 --> 00:54:17,579
day right brother there it is it's like

1710
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:19,140
nobody asked me decided that's not what

1711
00:54:23,450 --> 00:54:21,599
they're looking at is there it is and so

1712
00:54:24,829 --> 00:54:23,460
that's how it started for me and and

1713
00:54:26,270 --> 00:54:24,839
then it went and I wanted to know the

1714
00:54:27,890 --> 00:54:26,280
second night came right at us and flew

1715
00:54:29,390 --> 00:54:27,900
on an angle away from us and then I'm

1716
00:54:30,650 --> 00:54:29,400
thinking it's like what's it doing it's

1717
00:54:32,030 --> 00:54:30,660
not doing anything and that's why I

1718
00:54:34,010 --> 00:54:32,040
asked people I said when you saw the UFO

1719
00:54:35,450 --> 00:54:34,020
what was it doing I was just sitting

1720
00:54:37,130 --> 00:54:35,460
here and it's like it was making a

1721
00:54:38,510 --> 00:54:37,140
triangle in the air what's it making a

1722
00:54:40,250 --> 00:54:38,520
triangle in there and it's like it's

1723
00:54:42,710 --> 00:54:40,260
it's prodding people it's dragging

1724
00:54:44,329 --> 00:54:42,720
people into it and uh so that's how I

1725
00:54:45,410 --> 00:54:44,339
went and I wanted to know that why that

1726
00:54:46,730 --> 00:54:45,420
thing was in Carmen I couldn't figure

1727
00:54:48,290 --> 00:54:46,740
out what's it doing what's this all

1728
00:54:49,370 --> 00:54:48,300
about and I said I may not know but

1729
00:54:50,329 --> 00:54:49,380
somebody's got to know and that's when

1730
00:54:52,250 --> 00:54:50,339
they're after the Canadian government

1731
00:54:53,510 --> 00:54:52,260
that's why after the president of the

1732
00:54:55,190 --> 00:54:53,520
president United States has got to know

1733
00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:55,200
what's going on here and then I went

1734
00:54:59,569 --> 00:54:57,119
after CIA guys and all these top level

1735
00:55:02,750 --> 00:54:59,579
guys in the Avery and all these guys and

1736
00:55:04,549 --> 00:55:02,760
now my my position is yes they know they

1737
00:55:06,410 --> 00:55:04,559
know a little bit about uh the

1738
00:55:08,930 --> 00:55:06,420
Consciousness is a big factor they know

1739
00:55:10,730 --> 00:55:08,940
that for a fact uh but other than that

1740
00:55:12,170 --> 00:55:10,740
they really haven't got a clue it's

1741
00:55:14,030 --> 00:55:12,180
almost like the story I tell to

1742
00:55:15,530 --> 00:55:14,040
understand what's actually going on you

1743
00:55:17,150 --> 00:55:15,540
listen to Leslie Kane's story when I

1744
00:55:18,829 --> 00:55:17,160
interviewed her all I wanted to ask us

1745
00:55:20,510 --> 00:55:18,839
okay nothing about UFOs this one saying

1746
00:55:22,790 --> 00:55:20,520
blessing tell me about this tell me

1747
00:55:24,290 --> 00:55:22,800
about hand did that actually happen she

1748
00:55:27,049 --> 00:55:24,300
said yeah it actually happened and now

1749
00:55:28,430 --> 00:55:27,059
she's at a physical medium uh session

1750
00:55:30,410 --> 00:55:28,440
and I've done a lot of writing about

1751
00:55:32,329 --> 00:55:30,420
that as well where this hand appears

1752
00:55:33,710 --> 00:55:32,339
that this watery stuff comes up on the

1753
00:55:35,150 --> 00:55:33,720
table she's got this little table she's

1754
00:55:36,950 --> 00:55:35,160
sitting at comes up and it turns into

1755
00:55:38,870 --> 00:55:36,960
this hand and she feels the hand and

1756
00:55:41,329 --> 00:55:38,880
it's completely solid she says it's got

1757
00:55:42,950 --> 00:55:41,339
you could feel it it's warm it's soft

1758
00:55:44,930 --> 00:55:42,960
like a child's child's hands I can feel

1759
00:55:46,490 --> 00:55:44,940
the knuckles and their tendons and

1760
00:55:48,250 --> 00:55:46,500
everything like that and that bangs on

1761
00:55:50,270 --> 00:55:48,260
the table a couple times and then just

1762
00:55:52,309 --> 00:55:50,280
disappears and that's what's going on

1763
00:55:54,109 --> 00:55:52,319
this phenomenon is coming in from some

1764
00:55:56,270 --> 00:55:54,119
other vibrational level it's it's

1765
00:55:58,609 --> 00:55:56,280
manifesting itself it appears and then

1766
00:56:00,170 --> 00:55:58,619
just like nothing because that's the key

1767
00:56:01,790 --> 00:56:00,180
inside out four times and I say unless

1768
00:56:03,290 --> 00:56:01,800
they can Kane tells a story about the

1769
00:56:04,490 --> 00:56:03,300
hand that's the story you gotta listen

1770
00:56:06,410 --> 00:56:04,500
to Because Leslie Kane's not just

1771
00:56:07,970 --> 00:56:06,420
anybody he's the New York Times Reporter

1772
00:56:09,770 --> 00:56:07,980
and that is the most significant story

1773
00:56:11,390 --> 00:56:09,780
I've ever heard that explains what's

1774
00:56:12,890 --> 00:56:11,400
going on we have these various levels

1775
00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:12,900
and these things are in other levels

1776
00:56:16,370 --> 00:56:14,880
it's like a radio station we're on one

1777
00:56:18,170 --> 00:56:16,380
station they're on another station they

1778
00:56:20,030 --> 00:56:18,180
can come onto our station we can go even

1779
00:56:22,309 --> 00:56:20,040
like there's a uh I know if you've

1780
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:22,319
interviewed him there's a is really uh

1781
00:56:28,190 --> 00:56:24,720
contactee who was told when we come into

1782
00:56:29,870 --> 00:56:28,200
your world uh we uh take on a body we

1783
00:56:31,549 --> 00:56:29,880
have to take on a body we can take on

1784
00:56:33,230 --> 00:56:31,559
whatever form we want we don't need it

1785
00:56:35,930 --> 00:56:33,240
you can do the same thing you just don't

1786
00:56:38,510 --> 00:56:35,940
know about it you'll see Ronin

1787
00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:38,520
yeah yeah interesting guy yeah so very

1788
00:56:41,870 --> 00:56:40,319
interesting though the whole topic of uh

1789
00:56:43,730 --> 00:56:41,880
of Consciousness we get a lot of

1790
00:56:47,390 --> 00:56:43,740
negative comments from people that are

1791
00:56:48,950 --> 00:56:47,400
like it's UFO not UAP and there's no

1792
00:56:51,530 --> 00:56:48,960
such thing as Consciousness quit

1793
00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:51,540
bringing that [\h__\h] up well I'm sorry but

1794
00:56:55,069 --> 00:56:53,760
it's there and it's not necessarily you

1795
00:56:57,349 --> 00:56:55,079
know we're all going to become Yogi

1796
00:56:59,990 --> 00:56:57,359
Masters and meditate but if these craft

1797
00:57:01,370 --> 00:57:00,000
are operating by Consciousness and you

1798
00:57:02,930 --> 00:57:01,380
know they're communicating with us

1799
00:57:04,430 --> 00:57:02,940
through Consciousness even in you know

1800
00:57:07,490 --> 00:57:04,440
child sightings and aerial School

1801
00:57:10,670 --> 00:57:07,500
phenomenon it's all telepathic

1802
00:57:12,650 --> 00:57:10,680
um so maybe it's them communicating with

1803
00:57:14,569 --> 00:57:12,660
us through multiple levels maybe we need

1804
00:57:17,390 --> 00:57:14,579
a body we would never understand them or

1805
00:57:19,430 --> 00:57:17,400
what the hell it is so as much as we

1806
00:57:21,770 --> 00:57:19,440
want to stay nuts and bolts UFO guys

1807
00:57:23,809 --> 00:57:21,780
it's not always a flying object

1808
00:57:26,809 --> 00:57:23,819
sometimes it's an unexplained phenomena

1809
00:57:29,390 --> 00:57:26,819
and it is not always you know nuts and

1810
00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:29,400
bolts it is consciousness based on many

1811
00:57:33,109 --> 00:57:31,440
many levels and we've said it many times

1812
00:57:35,089 --> 00:57:33,119
you know it's not Stranger Than You

1813
00:57:37,190 --> 00:57:35,099
Think it's Stranger than you can think

1814
00:57:39,589 --> 00:57:37,200
and if you want to have the blinders on

1815
00:57:41,990 --> 00:57:39,599
fine and fair enough but to really look

1816
00:57:43,549 --> 00:57:42,000
at this and to apply the science you

1817
00:57:45,890 --> 00:57:43,559
need to look at quantum physics quantum

1818
00:57:47,510 --> 00:57:45,900
mechanics because it's the spookier

1819
00:57:49,430 --> 00:57:47,520
science that says well maybe this [\h__\h]

1820
00:57:52,010 --> 00:57:49,440
isn't that crazy and maybe there is

1821
00:57:54,710 --> 00:57:52,020
possibility of time Travel Intermediate

1822
00:57:56,690 --> 00:57:54,720
travel the five observables Lou Elizondo

1823
00:57:58,309 --> 00:57:56,700
describes it all makes a little more

1824
00:58:00,290 --> 00:57:58,319
sense when you look at quantum mechanics

1825
00:58:02,329 --> 00:58:00,300
and it doesn't make a whole lot of sense

1826
00:58:04,250 --> 00:58:02,339
when you look at the old-fashioned nuts

1827
00:58:05,990 --> 00:58:04,260
and bolts model and we even asked

1828
00:58:07,309 --> 00:58:06,000
Jacques valet in our 100th episode like

1829
00:58:10,370 --> 00:58:07,319
what do you want to tell everybody

1830
00:58:11,870 --> 00:58:10,380
Jacques and he said suspend judgment so

1831
00:58:14,450 --> 00:58:11,880
he's changed his mind a dozen times

1832
00:58:16,250 --> 00:58:14,460
already as you learned so don't get too

1833
00:58:18,530 --> 00:58:16,260
rigid in your belief patterns be

1834
00:58:20,690 --> 00:58:18,540
open-minded to this stuff it's real the

1835
00:58:22,130 --> 00:58:20,700
brightest Minds on the topic and you

1836
00:58:23,930 --> 00:58:22,140
mentioned Abby Loeb he's coming on our

1837
00:58:26,150 --> 00:58:23,940
show in November we're going to ask him

1838
00:58:28,130 --> 00:58:26,160
the same stuff but everybody wants

1839
00:58:29,510 --> 00:58:28,140
scientific research but then they don't

1840
00:58:31,309 --> 00:58:29,520
necessarily like the answers they're

1841
00:58:33,290 --> 00:58:31,319
getting from the scientific

1842
00:58:35,630 --> 00:58:33,300
so we need bigger Minds than we've ever

1843
00:58:37,309 --> 00:58:35,640
needed at this point in time and you're

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one of the greatest Minds that we've had

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00:58:41,030 --> 00:58:39,599
on the show I mean you're you have so

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00:58:43,069 --> 00:58:41,040
much information you can barely get it

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up fast enough we could do a Five Hour

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episode and I mean I thought I spoke

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00:58:49,130 --> 00:58:47,640
fast but you are you're 100 miles an

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00:58:50,809 --> 00:58:49,140
hour standing still and we love it

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because that's how we feel about it

1852
00:58:54,829 --> 00:58:52,920
we're just as passionate uh we're just

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00:58:56,030 --> 00:58:54,839
as jacked up and where can people find

1854
00:58:57,770 --> 00:58:56,040
you if they want to learn more about

1855
00:59:00,230 --> 00:58:57,780
Grand camera and follow your material

1856
00:59:03,349 --> 00:59:00,240
where can they find most of my stuff

1857
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I've uh is all linked at um it's all

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connected which is one word because

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that's the main message they have

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Oneness it's all connected one word

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publishing if you Google that you'll

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come to the site it has my books and my

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00:59:15,950 --> 00:59:15,000
latest book is the key book that kills

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00:59:17,569 --> 00:59:15,960
the Consciousness thing if you don't

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00:59:20,510 --> 00:59:17,579
think Consciousness is involved

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00:59:22,490 --> 00:59:20,520
Gary Nolan said one story is is an

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anecdotal story two stories is evidence

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I've got 36 people who are telling this

1869
00:59:28,370 --> 00:59:27,000
bizarre story about flying the craft

1870
00:59:29,930 --> 00:59:28,380
they're all saying exactly the same

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thing so you can't discount that when

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you say that you go holy cow I mean or

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you're the stories we have in the book

1874
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some of them where people describe they

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go inside the craft and it's 100 times

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bigger on inside outside is 30 feet

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inside it's like a football stadium and

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Hal cutoff said boy I'd like to figure

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out how that works when you start seeing

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when you start listening to the

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experiences who everybody's ignored the

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00:59:50,870 --> 00:59:49,500
experiencers will tell you this weird

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stuff you can look at all the lights in

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00:59:54,349 --> 00:59:52,380
the sky you want you're you're going to

1885
00:59:56,030 --> 00:59:54,359
be back in 1947. I said how many times

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00:59:57,770 --> 00:59:56,040
do we got to go to grade one this is

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00:59:59,569 --> 00:59:57,780
like the 73rd year we've gone to grade

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01:00:00,890 --> 00:59:59,579
one let's move on and move on to

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01:00:02,210 --> 01:00:00,900
something else sightings tell us

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01:00:04,730 --> 01:00:02,220
something's going on you got to get past

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01:00:06,770 --> 01:00:04,740
the side and talk to the people who are

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01:00:08,450 --> 01:00:06,780
engaging the phenomena those are the

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01:00:11,089 --> 01:00:08,460
people that are most important to me

1894
01:00:12,710 --> 01:00:11,099
nice Grant Cameron we thank you so much

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01:00:15,109 --> 01:00:12,720
for coming on the podcast we hope to

1896
01:00:17,270 --> 01:00:15,119
have you back on if it's uh anytime

1897
01:00:20,289 --> 01:00:17,280
anytime you are welcome on this podcast

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01:00:23,089 --> 01:00:20,299
sir yeah you are a Canadian icon

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okay thanks thank you so much sir okay